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A biography of Adolf Hitler published two years before his autobiography Mein Kampf may also have been written by Hitler:
In the early fall of 1923, when Adolf Hitler was still mostly known for his frenzied speeches at Munich beer halls, a slim biography was published that lauded him as the savior of the German nation and even compared him to Jesus. The book, "Adolf Hitler: His Life and His Speeches," was credited to Baron Adolf Victor von Koerber, a German aristocrat and war hero. Scholars have said that Hitler sought Mr. von Koerber out for the biography because he needed a conservative figure without links to the Nazi Party to help legitimize him as a leader.
However, new research says Hitler penned the work himself. This suggests that Hitler had designs on taking power earlier than many historians have previously thought and manipulated public opinion to get there.
"Adolf Hitler: His Life and His Speeches" was published two years before "Mein Kampf," the autobiography and manifesto that historians consider the moment Hitler went from political propagandist to leader in waiting. The von Koerber biography was published shortly before Hitler helped lead a bungled coup in Munich known as the Beer Hall Putsch.
"It's 1923, and Hitler suddenly decides he needs to boost his national profile," said Thomas Weber, a professor of history and international affairs at the University of Aberdeen, in Scotland, who uncovered documents in Mr. von Koerber's archival papers that he argues reveals Hitler as the biography's true author. The documents included a sworn statement by the publisher's widow.
Dusty old Godwin meme.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by linkdude64 on Monday October 10 2016, @08:17PM
I find the cognitive dissonance of people who compare Trump to Hitler so funny that I always forget to laugh.
Of the two Presidential candidates only one of them - objectively speaking - has been involved with arms trafficking with the explicit intent of ending the lives of people they disagree with.
Somehow, disturbing society's safe spaces and cultural norms has literally become more contemptible than murder. War is peace. Thought is slavery. Vote for Hillary.
(Score: 5, Informative) by ikanreed on Monday October 10 2016, @08:26PM
You're talking about someone whose explicitly stated foreign policy platforms include the following:
1. Torture. No, not pretending torture like waterboarding is torture, using the word torture as an official goal for US policy.
2. Killing the families of enemies. Explicitly targeting innocents.
3. "Why can't we use [nuclear weapons]?"
4. Explicitly supporting middle eastern dictators, implying Saddam Hussein was a good thing.
Now, the fact that he's never had military or political power in the past does preclude him from having acted on any of those(though he did economically engage with the Castro regime, even as a private citizen), it's pretty telling that you'd make extremely vague accusations of Hillary killing those she disagreed with.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Monday October 10 2016, @09:17PM
1) I like that he uses the actual terms doesn't use pretend words or pretend we're giving victims to other countries to do it. The opposition won't talk honestly about it. I think we have a better chance talking about the issue with the rational honest guy. Also he's not a micromanager, and the military has never been a huge supporter or torture and camps (because they don't want to end up in someone elses...).
2) Ditto. We can talk to a guy who admits whats going on, but some clown with a kill list blasting away at weddings and pretending its not what it is is impossible to reason with.
Consider the strange but relevant analogy of alcoholism. You can't talk about the problem to a guy who claims there's no problem. A guy who sees the problem can at least be talked to. We're better off with open eyes trump that hands over eyes and fingers crossed behind back clinton.
3) Yeah good question. MAD does not work unless its understood to be mutually assured destruction. To support anything less in public is to invite tragedy.
4) Saddam was bad, but was also the best of a bad situation. We've filled a lot more cemeteries, both our people and theirs, by meddling where we don't belong, than if we just left them alone. The whole Vietnam war thing about having to destroy the village to save the village. We can't even sensibly govern ourselves, but we figured we'd go over there and "fix them". Globalism is suicide on a civilizational scale. Every time its tried it just doesn't work and cemeteries overflow. Neoconservatism is dead as a doctrine, at least outside of Hillarys head. Who knows whats going on inside there, probably planning how to get our troops into iran and syria to keep israel happy. I see nothing inherently wrong with israel other than apparently someone put them in charge of our foreign policy with american interests as a distant second. As allies they'd be cool, they should try that, instead of trying to make us one of their provinces.
There's nothing inherently wrong with dictators. Rodrigo Duterte is one of the good guys, a hero of the 2010s decade, a savior to his people. Lee Kuan Yew was a great man who was relatively nonviolent and a great organizer and economic savior of his people. Augusto Pinochet was a wise leader who did nothing wrong, did nothing that was unnecessary. As you can see by the example of the USA, merely holding sham elections doesn't guarantee superman is going to rise up and lead. Progressivism and its lackey democracy are obsolete and simply don't work in the real world. Trump would make a good God Emperor; if not him, who would?
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @09:24PM
> I like that he uses the actual terms doesn't use pretend words or pretend we're giving victims to other countries to do it.
Yeah, the important thing is that he calls it torture. He's really just starting a conversation, that's all...
> There's nothing inherently wrong with dictators. Rodrigo Duterte is one of the good guys,
Jesus Hussein Christ. Have you become a parody of yourself?
(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday October 10 2016, @09:42PM
Well, the good news is you don't disagree with me about LKY and Pinochet. That shows you have good taste in dictators.
Duterte may not be motivated enough, not be forceful enough, might not be carrying out his mission fast enough or with enough effective force. I can see that argument. I can still respect he is trying very hard and is at least doing the right thing, even if debatably not doing enough.
I've been trying to start a movement to get his face on flags and tee shirts much like the leftists pimp out their bootlicking terrorist Che from decades ago. Would you like a stylish tee shirt? The problem is people are already pimping his image out.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday October 11 2016, @03:27AM
I look at it as
1. Vote Hillary. Result, you get a kick in the nuts (or you get your pussy grabbed)
2. Vote for Trump. Result, you get a kick in the nuts (or you get your pussy grabbed)
It's funny: this whole election is about "who kicks harder/grabs more hair".
I'm voting Hillary cause she kicks like a girl.
Yeah, well I'm voting Trump cause he might miss!
Your still getting kicked in the nuts/getting your pussy grabbed!!!!!!!
Why all the argument?
Funny..... I like my nuts.... glad I'm Canadian!
Seriously.... people get so angry over who they want to crush their nads. :)
🎶 Trolling, trolling, trolling, this is Gaaark a trolling.... trolling, trolling, trolling, Rawhide! 🎶 Drops mic.🎤
I know I say Hillary is evil... Trump is too! Americans really need to stand up and FIGHT for a third option.... Revolucion! Amigos!
Ramble over.
I just think it's all really funny.... but not. Like Curly going "nyuk nyuk wooopwooop, etc" and then poking your eye.
You all are so screwed... I'm gonna start raising money for that wall.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday October 11 2016, @12:17PM
And this is not to troll VLM. This is just laughing at the state of the States.
Door #1 or door #2.... surprise, a kick in the nuts!
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday October 11 2016, @12:34PM
You'll think it's funny until millions of American political refugees swarm over the Canadian border.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday October 11 2016, @01:33PM
Yeah they say that every year, but no one ever moves. Its a campaign trail tradition. Just like calling every Republican candidate "literally Hitler". It isn't a real election until the checkboxes are checked.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday October 12 2016, @02:02AM
We should all move. They have poutine-flavored potato chips. That's gravy flavored potato chips. Canadians take every unhealthy, insanely delicious food Americans can think of, and double it. They're also polite, which would be particularly attractive to those of us who remember an America that valued manners. Lastly, you don't even need to learn another language. Even if you go to Quebec you can speak English, because the people will refuse to speak French with you even if you do speak good French.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 11 2016, @10:34PM
You have to have your tongue firmly in your cheek while writing that stuff.
the good news is you don't disagree with me about Lee Kuan Yew
...the thief who stole the soul of Singapore and made the people automatons.
By 1993, [caning] was mandatory for 42 offences and optional for a further 42 [wikipedia.org]
That's called regressing into the dark ages.
and Pinochet
Pinochet was a monster.
He had thousands murdered.
One of his favorite ways of dealing with peaceful dissidents was to have his minions fly them far out over the ocean and push them out of the aircraft. [google.com]
(Freefall time from 10,000 feet is about 1 minute.)
Rodrigo Duterte is one of the good guys, a hero of the 2010s decade, a savior to his people.
Duterte [...] is at least doing the right thing
Duterte is another monster.
He has instructed his minions (not even sworn police officers or the military) that it is OK to murder anyone they perceive to be a bad guy.
That's commonly called lawlessness.
Am I missing your /sarc tags, or are you actually slime in human form?
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Zz9zZ on Monday October 10 2016, @09:50PM
There is actually something VERY wrong with dictators. They literally control the lives of their citizens and all freedoms are based on the dictators goodwill. I'm pretty sure you live in the US, so the ideas you just endorsed are very disturbing. However they are not surprising, fascism has been a staple of the US for a long time; though recently there has been a major uptick in support because the general populace has become much more educated and people are tossing out the cultural brainwashing they see as stupid. All the religious zealots are super angry, all the conservatives are super angry, and they all want to lock up / kill / deport the various human beings that dare to choose different lifestyles. I'll take a new age hippy spouting crystal nonsense over a boot licking authoritarian who wants to destroy the lives of others. The liberals are also super angry, but thankfully they are less likely to promote murder and oppression. Well, except taxes and regulations, the WORST oppression EVER /s.
To take a small step back, I understand your point in that a dictator can be beneficial to the people, but such enlightened despots are the exception, not the norm. So even the somewhat decent ones are doing some shady shit, its just that the general public doesn't care as much. To use your example of Duterte, it seems a lot of citizens are having second thoughts after seeing their friends and family locked up. Yes, lets encourage the murder of citizens, that isn't a slippery slope.... mind BLOWN by that level of self serving justification.
All that said, I think most of DC should be locked up for the insane amount of criminal activity and I wish we had a time machine so we could lock up the people who started this whole US empire thing. The chickens are roosting, and I am not looking forward to hatching day.
~Tilting at windmills~
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 11 2016, @04:07AM
> There is actually something VERY wrong with dictators.
VLM is just parroting the alt-right party line [wikipedia.org] that democracy is a failure and that we'd be better off with a dictator.
I am not making it up. That's what passes as intellectualism among that crowd of dim bulbs.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday October 11 2016, @01:40PM
We're indoctrinated to say dictators are bad, and we're indoctrinated to carefully avoid noticing who fills the cemeteries faster.
I'm well aware of giant piles of indoctrination and elaborate logic puzzles and sophistry, but pragmatically for example "bringing democracy to Iraq" has filled the cemeteries a lot faster than leaving them alone would have.
Every time an American politician says they gonna bring democracy to some poor bastards, Satan, if there is one, laughs, because here comes unimaginable higher levels of pain, suffering, death. If you thought (correctly) that living under a dictatorship sometimes kinda suxs, for something even worse try regime change or enforced democracy.
(Score: 1) by charon on Tuesday October 11 2016, @11:08PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 12 2016, @04:00AM
You can't possibly be that stupid.
Just because someone calls it democracy does not make it so.
You might as well be arguing that the DPRK is a democracy because of the D.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 12 2016, @04:01AM
I'm well aware of giant piles of indoctrination and elaborate logic puzzles and sophistry, but pragmatically for example "bringing democracy to Iraq" has filled the cemeteries a lot faster than leaving them alone would have.
Let us note that Syria handled the Arab Spring a whole lot poorer than Iraq did.
(Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday October 12 2016, @06:11AM
Well you're not wrong about reality being different than we'd hoped, however you're comparing the worst of one system with the best of another. Also, the wars waged by the US in the name of empire have been unwanted and looked down upon by quite a large fraction of the citizens. Even Iraq quickly lost support as the nationwide shock wore off.
My point is that the US is not the shining example of democracy we like to imagine, and the deaths caused were hardly the will of the people. So using that as your measuring stick for democracy vs. dictatorship is pretty disingenuous. Not the worst comparison though, you could have chosen one a bit lower on the list: http://www.worldaudit.org/democracy.htm [worldaudit.org]
Also, I was not recommending enforced regime change, the choice of government is highly dependent on the situation. Destabilizing the entire power structure of a country is a dangerous business best left to the people themselves, otherwise there is nothing in place to fill the vacuum. None of that changes the fact that dictatorships are worse overall. The idea that a dictatorship is a good idea shows just how far gone you are with the us vs. them mentality. If only you could get that one person into the seat of power who tells you what you want to hear and who will get rid of those you don't like... Gee, if only history had some good examples of just that, and if only we could recall how those turned out...
~Tilting at windmills~
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 11 2016, @01:04AM
Spoken like someone who has never truly lived under a dictatorship. I live in the Philippines and am old enough to remember the era of Ferdinand Marcos, and what is happening with Duterte worries me that we are returning to those days. It's the same with the Pinochet regime, and that you would say that these bastards did nothing wrong is the height of insanity. In the reigns of Marcos and Pinochet people just disappeared for no apparent reason, and Duterte is heading in that direction. He has killed over three thousand people, who may or may not be related to the illegal drug trade, and we will never really know whether these people really are guilty or just people who have crossed those in power for whatever reason. There is no way to prove it. Duterte talks about a major drug lord biting the dust because he tried to fight back, but that sure sounds like absolute crap. If I were a drug lord on the level of a Season 5 Walter White or higher, I sure as hell wouldn't want to get into a shootout with the police and get my ass killed (unless I of course had a death wish just as Walter White did at that point): I'd rather surrender and get my Sauls to twist things about. And who knows about all those thousands of Season One Jesse Pinkmans. I'm pretty sure they would have found prison preferable to a shallow grave. I could wind up just like them myself someday, though I have never used any controlled substances or knowingly consorted with those who do, if things keep going the way they are going. Hopefully I can get out of this place before that happens.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 11 2016, @07:02AM
You have my profoundest consolations. May you find your way away soon.
I am afraid for my Filipino friends. They have gone dancing. Some have travelled and partied. Some have enemies. Not knowing if or why they might be targetted is sickening.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 11 2016, @02:11AM
There's nothing inherently wrong with dictators. Rodrigo Duterte is one of the good guys, a hero of the 2010s decade, a savior to his people.
There is sooo much fail in your logic.
But you know what, don't listen to me, Duterte literally godwin'd himself:
"Hitler massacred three million Jews. Now, there is three million drug addicts. I'd be happy to slaughter them."
"If Germany had Hitler, the Philippines would have...," he said, pausing and pointing to himself.
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-09-30/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-happy-to-slaughter-addicts-as-hitler-did-jews/ [itv.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 11 2016, @07:02AM
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Tuesday October 11 2016, @11:52AM
Can we get a score 1, mentally disabled? I feel bad for this guy and I don't want to mod him troll. He is seriously ill and needs help, not shunning.
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Tuesday October 11 2016, @05:57AM
> 3. "Why can't we use [nuclear weapons]?"
That's not a platform; it's a question. Supposedly, it was asked in a private meeting with the anonymous source who was advising Mr. Trump on foreign policy. His campaign chairperson denies that it was asked:
Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort denied the claim on Wednesday morning.
“Absolutely not true,” he said in an interview with Fox News. “The idea that he’s trying to understand where to use nuclear weapons? It just didn’t happen. I was in the meeting, it didn’t happen.”
It seems to me that the reason for the meeting may have been Mr. Trump's awareness of his own ignorance and his desire to dispel it. If he asked that question, he may have done so for the same reasons.
> 4. Explicitly supporting middle eastern dictators, implying Saddam Hussein was a good thing.
Mr. Trump appears to understand that overthrowing Mr. Hussein had terrible--I mean, really, really terrible--consequences. Whether he can generalise that understanding in order to apply it to other situations, I don't know. Certainly Ms. Clinton favoured overthrowing Mr. Qaddafi, after the repercussions of the Iraq adventure were obvious. Did you see the interview in which she gloated over his assassination?
(Score: 1) by butthurt on Tuesday October 11 2016, @06:02AM
link from which I took the quote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scarborough-trump-nukes_us_57a1e47ae4b0693164c347d0 [huffingtonpost.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 11 2016, @11:47AM
Voting time! Who would you perfer:
A. Saddam Hussein
B. ISIL
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday October 11 2016, @02:29PM
Fun fact: Syria gets both a petty dictator and ISIS at the same time.
The nature of the Iraq War and the carelessness with which it was waged did, in fact, lend a lot of momentum to the creation of ISIS, but the line doesn't need to be between openly supporting the kinds of dictators who create large swaths of religiously fundamentalist, uneducated, and unhappy people, and endorsing the warlord-esque pseudo-governments those unhappy fundamentalists create.
It's the kind of false dilemma that comes from a foreign policy that only asks the question "Who do we bomb?"
(Score: 1) by linkdude64 on Tuesday October 11 2016, @09:05PM
Fair points, friend.
Hillary's explicitly stated platforms include the following:
1. Hugs, kisses, and love for everyone. (Wow, that's great!)
- Her actions include supporting ISIS. (Oh.)
2. Loving our international allies and supporting women. (Amazing!)
- Her actions include supporting Saudi Arabia, who enforce Sharia Law. (Whoops! Brain freeze!)
3. [Haven't heard her say anything about nukes other than things about keeping them away from Trump.]
4. Standing against foreign dictatorships that support, sexism, rape, etc.
- Actions include supporting rebel groups to topple dictatorships.
- Rebels became much worse dictators than previous ones. Actively made things worse for citizens at the low low cost of thousands of lives and a European immigrant crisis which is tearing their union apart and impoverishing millions of citizens who had nothing to do with US war-mongering.
It's like you almost think that words speak louder than actions or something! Hillary is easily as bad as George Bush in terms of judgement and record, if not worse. George Bush only fucked the Middle East. Hillary fucked the middle east so hard that it gave Europe an STD.
(Score: 2) by julian on Monday October 10 2016, @09:03PM
Nothing about her that has been sufficiently proven is sufficiently interesting to me to care.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday October 11 2016, @05:57PM
- has been involved with arms trafficking
When was Hitler involved with arms trafficking?
Somehow, disturbing society's safe spaces ...
You mean like r/The_Donald, where "no dissenters allowed" is rule #6?
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Tuesday October 11 2016, @08:48PM
How many people did Hitler personally kill?
I hope that rhetorical question makes it very clear to you how inane your cherrypicking of my statement is. Had I directly accused Hillary of murder (as most people do of Hitler) you would have claimed I was "Another one of those crazy right-wingers who believe lies." The point is that Hillary has blood on her hands, and Donald does not. Period. Trump has acted to overthrow exactly zero foreign governments. "But Hillary only killed the 'bad' guys111!!"
The Obama Administration and Hillary Clinton (indirectly, but knowingly) supported ISIS who have raped and beaheaded thousands of innocent civilians around the middle east and Europe.
Donald Trump has bought and sold real estate.
Which do you think is less evil? I am not sure how to put things more clearly or succinctly. Your moral compass should not be spinning around like a Delta fan, it should be pointing to the only reasonable answer.
Fuck reddit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 12 2016, @04:10AM
> The point is that Hillary has blood on her hands, and Donald does not. Period.
Are you so sure? He's fucked over a lot of people, I bet there has been at least one suicide as a result. And he sure has tried to get people killed. The central park 5 for example. He paid for a full-page ad in the NYT and 3 other newspapers calling for their execution. And even today, despite not only being exonerated at trial but DNA evidence matching a confession by the actual killer he still thinks they should have got the electric chair. [bbc.com]
> Trump has acted to overthrow exactly zero foreign governments.
That's juvenile sophistry. Lack of opportunity is in no way proof of good faith. Not even fucking close.
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Thursday October 13 2016, @06:01PM
"Lack of opportunity is in no way proof of good faith."
What you don't seem to understand is that the point of the statement is not to defend Trump, it is to Damn Hillary Clinton, and by extension her supporters.
She is worse a war criminal than George W Bush already, and her supporters mean to reward that level of incompetence and malice with greater power.
What they - and I assume you are included in their lot - don't seem to understand is the level of their own hypocrisy.
"TRUMP IS A MADMAN!" They say, "I COULD NEVER VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO SUPPORTS WAR, TORTURE, OR INDECENT ACTS!" then they turn around and vote for Hillary Clinton??? That is fucking hysterical!
By all means, don't vote for Trump if you are a person of such principles, but if you are such a person, you would never in your right mind vote for Hillary.