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posted by janrinok on Tuesday October 18 2016, @01:38AM   Printer-friendly
from the spare-some-change,-gov? dept.

NatWest, a subsidiary of the Royal Bank of Scotland Group, will refuse service to RT:

NatWest bank has frozen the accounts of Russia's state-run broadcaster RT, its editor-in-chief says. Margarita Simonyan tweeted: "They've closed our accounts in Britain. All our accounts. 'The decision is not subject to review.' Praise be to freedom of speech!"

An MP from Russia's ruling party has said the country's Parliament will "demand an explanation" from the UK. RT says the bank gave no explanation for its decision. It said the entire Royal Bank of Scotland Group, of which NatWest is part, was refusing to service RT.

[...] A letter posted online by the channel appears to show that the freeze is not in effect yet. It warns that banking facilities will be "cancelled and closed" on 12 December. MP Sergei Zheleznyak, from the ruling "United Russia" party, told the privately-owned Interfax news agency: "We will be demanding an explanation from Britain's official authorities in connection with this situation." [...] A member of the Russian parliament's upper house, Igor Morozov, has called for the BBC's bank accounts in Russia to be "arrested" as a reprisal. RT chief Ms Simonyan said the closure included the personal accounts of some senior staff working in the UK.

Unnamed sources in the British Treasury denied involvement and said the decision was made by NatWest itself. The Prime Minister Theresa May's office told reporters that "It's a matter for the bank and it's for them to decide who they offer services to based on their own risk appetite".

Also at RT, Bloomberg.


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  • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Tuesday October 18 2016, @05:01AM

    by Whoever (4524) on Tuesday October 18 2016, @05:01AM (#415541) Journal

    Yeah, right - except that the RNC hasn't been hacked.

    And you know this how? All we know is that no hack of the RNC has been made public.

    Whatever else they may or may not be, they know how to keep secrets

    You don't know this. We know that there is someone out there with an apparent agenda. The lack of a public hack of the RNC can simply be explained by that agenda.

    Oh, and as for "they know how to keep secrets", recent events suggest otherwise [thedailybeast.com]

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  • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Tuesday October 18 2016, @05:16AM

    by captain normal (2205) on Tuesday October 18 2016, @05:16AM (#415546)

    Wonder why none of that information has been released by Wikileaks?

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    • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Tuesday October 18 2016, @05:37AM

      by Whoever (4524) on Tuesday October 18 2016, @05:37AM (#415552) Journal

      Wonder why none of that information has been released by Wikileaks?

      Are you really that dense? The answer is obvious: either Wikileaks or the person feeding Wikileaks is pursuing a partisan agenda.

      I suspect that the Obama administration has leaned on Ecuador to make life difficult for Assange. Retaliation maybe?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2016, @07:06AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2016, @07:06AM (#415568)

        They already stated they have the RNC stuff, and said it was no worse than exactly what Trump was saying. Still would be interesting to see. But up first is the more corrupt of the two.

        Can not really blame him for targeting the DNC. For gods sake they 'joke' around about 'droning him'. Yet he has emails saying things where they do things to people then he can see what happened. He probably took it serious. People tried to break in to his room no less than a month ago.

        Honestly *WHERE* they came from makes no difference. If we take that path then what they say is meaningless. The rules are meaningless. We should just trust these people to 'do the right thing'?

        This is typical of the Clintons. *Every* *damn* *thing* is shady as fuck. Basically deny deny deny deny deny deny deny deny then when backed into a corner say 'dont recall' or 'just kidding' or 'not our fault you found out'. There are things in those emails that are just straight up illegal and most of it is benign. Yet no one seems to give a fuck about fixing it other than Trump cheerleaders. The people who vote for the DNC should be fucking rioting at the doors. They are doing this in their name.

        Retaliation maybe?
        No maybe about it. My guess is the leaks he is doing right now they have a pretty good idea what is in all of it. They have copies too and he has been leaking 1 dudes emails. They know exactly where he is going with it. It seriously would not be hard for that dude to open his emails and go 'oh fuck they have it all'. Hell several dudes on the internet used those very emails to guess his passwords and reset his accounts. This is not exactly top level hacking here. Something like Stuxnet is top level hacking. This is just email scrapping.

        Honestly, the scope of it is amazing. Last year this was all BS republicans fed to each other and people laughed off as 'conspiracy theories'. Its all becoming true. All of it. That is what is flooring me. Then finding out the RNC and DNC collaborate to fuck us all over? Nothing these liars say is true. None of it.

        Also these fools think this shit is just going to 'go away' in 3-4 weeks? If she wins that is *not* going to stop him even with Trump out of the way. He is going to release even more. He is going to show it all off one way or another. He is not looking to stop her from being president. He is looking for her to goto jail.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2016, @02:27PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2016, @02:27PM (#415678)

          > They already stated they have the RNC stuff, and said it was no worse than exactly what Trump was saying.

          Not the "the" stuff, "some" stuff. Wikileaks doesn't know about what they have not been given.

          > Honestly *WHERE* they came from makes no difference.

          Of course it matters. Wikileaks can, and should, release whatever they've got. But to ignore how it got to them is to miss a seriously important story. Think of it this way - if those emails revealed that clinton had deliberately tried to fuck up the russian elections then wikileaks ought to release that as well, right? Well, if that's the case then the reverse of that story should be at least as important.

          > This is typical of the Clintons. *Every* *damn* *thing* is shady as fuck.

          "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." The question you ought to be asking yourself is why, after literally hundreds of millions of dollars spent "investigating" the clintons (there were NINE congressional investigations about Benghazi alone) the only thing they could find to prosecute was Bill lying under oath about getting a BJ. Either the clintons have such incredible political power that they are immune to the most dedicated efforts by the entire republican establishment or there just isn't much there to begin with. How you see it is all about who you are, not who the clintons are.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2016, @05:47PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2016, @05:47PM (#415760)

            they don't go after the serious stuff b/c they don't want to get into that shit. that's when people get killed (on both sides). if you think they're only going after silly BS publicly b/c there's nothing else there, you're incredibly naive.

            the clintons are life long criminals that have gone international. read "bush, clinton and the cia", for one little glimpse into history.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 19 2016, @12:59AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 19 2016, @12:59AM (#415944)

              > they don't go after the serious stuff b/c they don't want to get into that shit. that's when people get killed (on both sides).

              nigga, please

      • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Tuesday October 18 2016, @04:37PM

        by captain normal (2205) on Tuesday October 18 2016, @04:37PM (#415731)
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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 18 2016, @06:23AM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 18 2016, @06:23AM (#415560) Journal

    Apparent agenda. Got it. I'll let you in on a little secret: EVERYONE HAS AN AGENDA!!

    Now, facts are pretty factual. The DNC isn't competent with computers, and they keep getting into the news because of that fact. You've probably heard, "Where there's smoke, there's fire." We keep seeing the smoke coming out of the DNC, with one computer scandal after another, leaks, compromises, etc ad nauseum. And, you? You're trying to point out that someone with an agenda keeps doing these things? That "vast right wing conspiracy" that Hitlery likes to talk about?

    Meanwhile, the Clinton/DNC scandal just flies over your head. You completely missed that Hitlery and her gal Friday from Florida rigged the primaries against Sanders. Conspiracy to manipulate the election seems a pretty big crime to me, and it may even be treason.

    Smoke pours out of the DNC, but you want me to focus on the RNC burning leaves in the back yard? (It's that time of year again!)

    I have to conclude that either the Reps are more competent at keeping secrets, OR, that they don't have any scandals going on. If you'll read my previous post, I've put my money on competence. I'm quite certain that one of more high level Republican is doing little boys, or an intern, or gobbling another Republican schlong. But, we're not hearing about it because they know how to keep secrets better than Democrats.

    Or, maybe the D's are simply incompetent at investigative reporting? If the scandals are there, the liberal press should be uncovering them, right?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Spamalope on Tuesday October 18 2016, @12:40PM

      by Spamalope (5233) on Tuesday October 18 2016, @12:40PM (#415631) Homepage

      The DNC isn't competent with computers, and they keep getting into the news because of that fact.

      I urge caution if you're taking that at face value.

      The DNC has so much support from the FBI that the head is willing to engage in obvious corruption and be the fall guy for preventing prosecution of crimes that have been wikileaked.

      US intelligence agencies have engaged in disinformation campaigns making themselves out to be incompetent so they'll be underestimated by any who believe it. The DNC is being supported by folks who implement that policy. Proceed as though some of them are very competent indeed and at worst you'll be prepared.

      I'd assume the incompetent; those who can't keep their mouth shut - are steered to disinformation project they think are at risk of being caught.

      Ex hypothetical: Ballot stuffing pole fraud is conducted by loud mouths who'd STFU if they were good. Insiders know about the fraud, so they've made sure there is some for O'Keefe to find. The highly skilled are working with the electronic voting machines. They can compromise the vote tabulation system not the voting machines, and only a very small number need be involved. That's a secret that can be kept. They just need to prevent the actual voting machines from having a physical record that could be audited (a paper tape or the like), which they've done. As an aside, voting machines would be made with the security Vegas electronic gambling machines have if they were meant to be secure. (firmware to rom which is potted, source on file, anti-tamper enclosures, unique digital signatures for each machine - all communication signed, etc)

      I'd look for real fire there, or with the Clinton Foundation if they sold policy against the US in a way that's actual treason. Something that'd make sense if a small inner group are very good, and they're making the best of being stuck with an outer group who are... um... not. i.e. A fire so big its size hides it.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2016, @02:42PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2016, @02:42PM (#415682)

      > Apparent agenda. Got it. I'll let you in on a little secret: EVERYONE HAS AN AGENDA!!

      That is a reductive analysis. Having an agenda does not dictate people's entire behavior.
      Well, it seems like it dictates yours, but few people are as simple-minded as you.

      > You completely missed that Hitlery and her gal Friday from Florida rigged the primaries against Sanders.

      Its funny how you uncritically repeat right-wing memes about liberals as if they are gospel.
      But the opinions of actual liberals about the topic don't matter, do they?

      The DNC’s Leaked Emails Show It Had No Idea How to Rig an Election [slate.com]

      Rather than proving that the primary was deviously rigged by Clinton's cronies—as many Sandernistas clearly believe—the Wikileaks emails suggest the opposite. The party didn't seem to have very many ideas at all for meddling with Sanders' candidacy. And the ones they cooked up were weak and quickly forgotten.

      Consider the most damaging news to come out of the leak. One DNC official seems to have floated the concept of trying to make an issue of Sanders' apparent atheism, in order to hurt his standing with Southern Baptists in states like Kentucky. This was a deeply offensive idea. It also seems to have gone nowhere. In May, meanwhile, the DNC national press secretary suggested “pushing a narrative” that Sanders “never ever had his act together, that his campaign was a mess.” This was meant to push back against the charge that there was a DNC conspiracy against against him in the first place. But in any event, as ABC News notes, the idea was quashed.

      [...]

      We're reading a bunch of cranky D.C. office drones dealing with and letting off some steam about a cantankerous campaign.

      [...]

      Again, on balance, this is all a bad look for the DNC. But it's not vote tampering. The worst ideas seem to have been scotched. It's always possible the real malfeasance was plotted offline. But nothing has been found in the leaked batch of emails that rises to the level of “rigging."

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 18 2016, @03:27PM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 18 2016, @03:27PM (#415706) Journal

        First, you argue in circles. Then, you take liberal's opinions about liberals, and offer that as the gospel that you accuse me of reading. I'm waiting for some kind of refutation against the conspiracy. You know - that conspiracy that was so adequately revealed in a Wikileaks release. Bern had little support from his party, while the DNC chairman steered every iota of support possible to Hitlery.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2016, @04:28PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2016, @04:28PM (#415726)

          > First, you argue in circles.

          WTF?

          You are the one running around repeating the crap you get from infowars.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 18 2016, @07:12PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 18 2016, @07:12PM (#415809) Journal

            Haven't been to infowars in a long, long time. WTF do you ASSume where I get my news? You seem to know Infowars a lot better than I do. Maybe I need to visit them again. Then, I'll head over to stormfront, maybe read the Turner diary again. I need a reminder now and then that the "right" is just about as sick as the "left". Different diseases, different symptoms, but equally virulent.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2016, @09:57PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2016, @09:57PM (#415877)

              Deny it all you want. But when I type your shit into google for background info, infowars is nearly always the first hit, definitely first five. Maybe you did it get from somewhere once removed, but you are just fooling yourself if you think your sources are higher quality than that conspiratorial crap

    • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Thursday October 20 2016, @12:12AM

      by Whoever (4524) on Thursday October 20 2016, @12:12AM (#416409) Journal

      If you'll read my previous post, I've put my money on competence.

      LOL [theregister.co.uk]
      LOL [redstate.com]
      LOL [thedailybeast.com]
      LOL [dailykos.com]

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 20 2016, @01:12AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 20 2016, @01:12AM (#416423) Journal

        Trump servers running obsolete software is kinda funny. I can understand a small business or an average Joe not having money to pay for licenses and constant updating. But, Trump's people should be keeping stuff up to date.