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German firearms manufacturer Armatix LLC is planning to release its second smart gun in the U.S. next year after sales of its first model -- the .22 caliber iP1 -- were quashed by pressure from some gun owners and gun rights advocates who saw it as a threat to Second Amendment freedoms.
Unlike the iP1, which used RFID technology, the new iP9 9mm semi-automatic pistol will have a fingerprint reader. The iP9 will be available in mid-2017, according to Wolfgang Tweraser, CEO and president of Amratix LLC.
How long before the smart guns go all WOPR?
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(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20 2016, @03:54AM
So, fingerprint recognition.
Immediate that means it's not mechanical - we're in the world of electrics. Unless it's somehow passively powered (highly unlikely) we're talking batteries. This is a bad thing in firearms where you have any requirement for reliability. Sure, sure, you have people who have laser sights and holographic sights and so on, but they also have backup sights if they're using them in the real world. Where's the backup here? If your backup is available, who would bother with the smart fingerprint reader?
This brings us to the fingerprint reader itself. How reliable is it? I've used quite a few, and their reliability ranges from middling to terrible. Not good enough for any kind of firearm that you want to rely on, rather than use as a loud target puncher under perfect conditions.
Also, what about gloves? A lot of the USA at least is quite cold, much of the year. People wear gloves. They wear gloves when hunting, they wear gloves when driving their kids to school, they wear gloves at all sorts of times when you might want to use a firearm. In fact, many ranges are cold, and you'll see people wear gloves at the range. But not with this gun.
What about people with missing fingers? What about times when you need to shoot off-hand? If you're selling this to cops then it had better be able to fire when they're fighting off a drug-addled attacker with one hand, and shooting with the other.
This has all the usual problems of smart guns, and then some.
However, I think it's a brilliant idea, and they should sell it in the USA ASAP, so that New Jersey's idiotic law can be stricken from the books. SCOTUS was quite clear that people have a right to obtain effective weapons for personal defense, and past jurisprudence on the topic of so-called saturday night specials means that you can't outlaw cheap guns because poor people have the right to defend themselves effectively as well. This will suck for all the people in NJ, but what the hell it'll be good to get this nonsense cleared up.
(Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday October 20 2016, @04:29AM
What about people with missing fingers? What about times when you need to shoot off-hand?
Best argument I have ever seen for gun control, besides the fear and loathing and craven cowardice of jmorris. Why would you ever need to shoot off a hand? Did not shooting off your fingers teach you anything? But if you insist, perhaps the Germans could provide a nice "reach around" fingerprint reader, for the rare cases where you would need to shoot off a hand.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Pslytely Psycho on Thursday October 20 2016, @04:51AM
Shooting 'off-hand' refers to shooting with your non-dominant hand. I don't know how much of a difference that would be for a reader, but he's not talking about shooting off his hand.
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(Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Thursday October 20 2016, @05:18AM
but he's not talking about shooting off his hand.
Are you so sure about that? I, too, once thought that the ammosexuals meant words in the common use of them. But then I found them getting all upset about people using the term "automatic" in the perfectly accepted fashion. And they seem incapable of understanding simple words, like "assault weapon". So I am not so sure that he was not actually talking about shooting off hand, literally. Thus, I was trying to be as helpful as possible. You, Psycho, if that is your real name, seem to want to purposely confuse the issue!
A fingerprint scanner might be more conveniently placed for shooting off your own hand, but it would not prevent this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTGmTrQXrwg [youtube.com]
(Score: 1) by tftp on Thursday October 20 2016, @05:30AM
Are you so sure about that?
Google that, and you will know.
(Score: 2, Funny) by aristarchus on Thursday October 20 2016, @05:36AM
Are you so sure about that?
Google that, and you will know.
The Swedes have a word for discerning the intent of an AC: "ungooglebar". Ungoogleable. Since the AC in question had already shot off fingers, I assumed the worst. The Swedes have another word for accidental sex with and AC, it is called "ammosexual assange". I have no idea how it translates.
(Score: 1) by tftp on Thursday October 20 2016, @05:44AM
By the way, do you know that hunting is very popular in Sweden, and a large number of people [wikipedia.org] there own firearms? Sweden holds the 9th place in the world by gun ownership.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Thursday October 20 2016, @05:50AM
Yes, I was vaguely aware. I also know that Swedes are not gun crazy 2nd amendment worshiping death eaters like Americans are. I don't think that Swedes, being the eminently reasonable people they are (not like Norwegians at all! ), would have any use for a feature on a smart gun that would allow one to shoot off one's own hand. Or anyone else's hand, for that matter. Only in America.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20 2016, @06:00AM
Seriously, dude. Stop feeding the troll.
I mean, come on. Look at him.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Thursday October 20 2016, @06:54AM
Yes! Look at me! Am I not a human? (some people doubt that, but no bot could do what I do!) If you shoot my hand off, do I not bleed? No, seriously, the American resistance to "smart guns" is totally irrational, and deserves to be ridiculed to the full extent possible. Dumb gun owners prefer dumb guns, so they can do dumb things, like shooting off hands, or over throwing a perfectly good government just because Trump does not win. Yes, Morans! (proper spelling, for those of you who still care: morons, from the greek: "moros", stupid.)
And besides, with dumb guns, there is no record of what you were doing in the bedroom with your "sweetness".
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20 2016, @01:15PM
Right. Rifles and shot guns. For hunting. Not hand guns and automatics magazine fed military rifles. They also don't have concealed or open carry. What is so hard to understand about this?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20 2016, @05:08PM
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday October 20 2016, @06:23PM
> The U.S. was founded to be different from the old country, not to emulate them.
At last! It's about time somebody stepped up to admit that such an experiment failed. Miserably.
(just trying to fit in with the trolleys in this thread)
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(Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday October 20 2016, @07:10PM
Then why are those idiots so bloody obsessed with my non-perfect grass?
If you want a perfect lawn, go the hell back to London! SoCal is not the place for you!
/rant
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 21 2016, @09:11PM
>'off-hand'
Also understood that word to mean shooting whist not aiming. For example from the hip, or a Han Solo under the table shot.
Does it really only refer to shooting with non-dominant hand?
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday October 21 2016, @10:21PM
Does it really only refer to shooting with non-dominant hand?
Actually, it does not, which is why even with Googling, it is safe to ignore the poster who posted that. And besides that, the fact that that poster actually thought we were having a serious discussion about guns.
(Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Monday October 24 2016, @08:34AM
Hey I was buzzed after a hard days work.
My Grandfather always referred to using his non-dominent hand as shooting off-hand. I didn't think to try Google as I had heard this reference all my life. I actually believed it to be correct.
I stand corrected.
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(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday October 24 2016, @09:33AM
No harm done, and no offense taken, as long as you still have both your hands, and the majority of your digits!
(Score: 3, Funny) by maxwell demon on Thursday October 20 2016, @06:06AM
Just use a Samsung battery. Then if your gun doesn't shoot, you still can use the battery as hand grenade. :-)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 21 2016, @09:09PM
Praise you for using the word middling!