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Okay, so, I wasn't going to submit these here because I've really had quite enough of politics for the year but it seems the mainstream media are having an absolute blackout on anything critical of Hillary, to the point of CNN has both coincidentally lost a sitting congressman's satellite feed immediately after mentioning wikileaks and tried to tell their viewers that even reading the wikileaks emails is illegal.
These two videos by Project Veritas Action, apparently with more to come, are the result of a year or so of actual investigative journalism and deserve coverage somewhere though. I don't personally care at all if you like Hillary or not but it's always better to know the truth than to stick your head in the sand, so here they are.
The first part in the series is titled Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump Rallies. It basically shows precisely what it says it does. Hidden cameras capture Scott Foval of Americans United for Change not so much admitting as bragging that they have operatives in numerous major cities that are actually trained in how best to incite violence at Trump rallies.
The second part of the series is again aptly titled Mass Voter Fraud. In this video Scott Foval is again captured going into minute detail on how not only go commit mass voter fraud but how to get away with it.
Scott Foval and Robert Creamer (also in the videos) are currently unemployed as a result of these videos. Whether Mrs. Clinton should be as well, that's for you to decide.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Hairyfeet on Thursday October 20 2016, @01:45PM
How EXACTLY is this flamebait? You have one major media outlet trying so desperately to cover for Clinton they told the American public that even reading the leaked emails was illegal, you have several of those emails where high ranking members of the HRC campaign and members of the DNC talk about writing pieces for major news outlet reporters who would then just sign their name, you have an actual fucking election commissioner in a battleground state no less talking about busing in illegals to swing elections and the Washington Times reporting multiple cases of serious voter fraud [washingtontimes.com] and the big media networks not only ignore it but actually tear into Trump for pointing out that this shit is going on! Fuck I don't give a shit who you vote for, this entire thing stinks!
At this point I have no doubt if a video came out of Hillary holding down a woman for Bill to rape you'd have most of the major media reporting "But but but....Trump said ASSHOLE on the Apprentice in 1998, we have the video!". Never in my life have I seen the media so blatantly covering for one side in an election, at this point it isn't reporting....its shilling.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20 2016, @02:20PM
Hyperbole and hot air from Hairryfeet, who woulda thunk.
Lets look at your times article, which as a source is just as biased as any left leaning source BTW.
1. "Multiple incidents" Well the jury is out on this but how many is multiple, it doesnt sound like enough to sway the balance.
2. 1046 illegals registered to vote and were caught on accident. This one is a bit more worrisome, lets look into it and see how many there really are.
3. More then 700 voters voted twice. Checking this one out further it looks like a bunch of old people voted and sent in absentee ballots. Doesn't look like a concerted effort to sway the vote to me.
4. A whopping 86 noncitizens registered to vote, and half of them actually voted last time. Again not a concerted effort. And not enough to sway the election of a dog catcher.
5. This one is total BS
131 involved witnesses. Of those 131, five people witnessed more than one mail-in ballot. Four of those five people witnessed requests from multiple family members, which is allowed. One apparently witnessed five applications from the same address, a nursing home or a retirement center.
Yes thats right they are calling one employee witnissing multiple elderly voters as voter fraud. Holy smokes you guys are digging deep to find this fraud. Thats a MISTAKE, not fraud.
6. More hot air
Police believe there could be hundreds of fraudulent voter registration records
"Hundreds" Oooh thats what will steal the presidency from Trump.
7. Three. Your evidence for widespread fraud is THREE cases of voting twice in the primary.
8. This isn't even voter fraud, this is an angry guy yelling at poll workers.
Keith Justice, 50, has been charged with four counts of intimidating an election officer and one count of interfering with an election officer in Pike County.
This one doesn't even give a link for more info. It was prob a n angry old white guy, guess whos demographic that is.
9 6 17 year old students voted underage. OOOOOOO There is your big fraud case.
10
In September, the secretary of state’s office in Pennsylvania mailed about 2.5 million voter registration postcards to people who are not registered voters, but are licensed drivers.
Thats not fraud, it may enable fraud but its the states own fault, and they could fix it by mailing new voter registration cards to all the voters that look markedly different and educate the poll workers on what a valid one looks like. You only have the old card, then you get a provissional ballot.
TLDR: Your source is BS, your point is wrong, and you have made up your mind not by looking at the facts but by deciding what is happening and searching for evidence to prove it. You should be just as ashamed for voting for trump as anyone that votes for HRC. Giant Meteor 2016!
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday October 20 2016, @04:38PM
Giant meteor indeed... but one that strategically takes out just Washington, or just takes out the contiguous United States (or breaks apart and JUST takes out Trump, Hillary, Pence and Kaine).
Vote for Baldrick!
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(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 20 2016, @11:19PM
You can borrow my sig if you want.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday October 21 2016, @02:04AM
I'm guessing Baldrick could manage that: I hear he has a 'cunning plan'! ;)
It involves turnips and WMD: so.... turnips.
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(Score: 5, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 20 2016, @04:48PM
You didn't watch the videos in the article, obviously. It has multiple members of an organization that works for both Hillary and the DNC bragging about and explaining how to commit election fraud on a massive scale. On camera. From their own mouths.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20 2016, @05:07PM
Well I was replying to hariy feet's post. I have not watched the videos, watching videos at work is a no no. Yet you don't address my post or the fact that the top ten voter fraud cases listed are at best very weak to make your point with. Heck a couple of them don't look like voter fraud at all, there are mistakes with mail in ballots (usually mailed in by elderly, so they most likely don't favor the dems) there is a mistake with a witness witnessing too many votes, why is this a problem? There is the state screwing up and sending the wrong people voter registrations. There is the angry old white guy intimidating poll workers (yes angry old white guy is so much a hillary fan). There is the case of six 17 year olds voting. I mean come on here. Get evidence of some REAL voter fraud and cough it up to the relevant police department, or shut the heck up with this weak sauce innuendo.
Maybe your videos have some grand evidence in them but judging from the likes of breitbart I wouldn't be surprised if they were edited to make them look bad, and I would not be surprised if they were faked altogether (note: like I said I haven't seen them) Cause if they were legit, why have there been no charges filed or police investigations. I mean if the police are going to investigate THREE instances of duplicate voting, I feel they would likely investigate fraud on the scale that would tip the balance of the election. So either the evidence is weaker then you and the video author claim, or its faked. But thats ok, you've made up your mind and no amount of common sense or poking of holes through your whack-a-doo theories is going to change it.
Giant meteor 2016!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 20 2016, @05:22PM
I didn't address them because they're irrelevant to this story. Check the second video when you get home. If you don't believe afterward that there's massive voter fraud happening every election, it's because you're actively choosing to place partisanship over the truth.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20 2016, @05:43PM
You didn't address them because they don't support your position. How come you don't address the fact that there is no investigation by the relevant authorities in these cases. Is this late breaking or are all of the law enforcement and prosecutors in on the election rigging?
I will watch the second video as impartially as I can, but reading about the author of this video below I doubt it will sway my opinion.. It sounds like he is KNOWN for selective editing and out right lies in his "video evidence"
Give me ACTUAL evidence. Not some edited out of context, faked, or blown out of proportion BS video made by a known liar. Comon SOMEONE GET SOME REAL EVIDENCE or drop it.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 20 2016, @08:34PM
My position in this instance is Inform Yourself. If you're unwilling because it doesn't fit your worldview, oh well, I tried.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 20 2016, @05:47PM
Watch the videos. Watch them, and then search for the 'Clinton Cash' video. There's another - I think it's called 'Hillary's America', but not certain. Dirt, dirt, and more dirt.
That is why I say we have a choice between the court jester, and the wicked witch of the north/east/south/west.
Trump is a buffoon, but hillary is evil.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20 2016, @06:23PM
'Hillary's America',
That "film" produced by a know voter fraudster and felon? And right-wing hack? Souza? (not John Phillips, either!)
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 20 2016, @06:30PM
Pointing fingers? No one has any credibility unless they support Hitlery? Got it.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Hairyfeet on Saturday October 22 2016, @05:35AM
It is called Hillary's America and the guy that made the video? Was given 3-5 in prison by Obama for making a vid exposing his corruption. Oh they said it was for "tax evasion" but as his lawyer pointed out in his 20 years of defending people against the feds he had NEVER seen anybody get actual time for the small amount the feds were claiming.
Hmmm...an administration using dirty tricks and the power of the fed to silence his political enemies, where have I heard that before? Oh yeah Nixon which this whole thing reminds me more and more of every day, and this is from a Bernie Backer who HAD voted left in every election since 1988...but no more, the DNC has simply become too corrupted, too owned by special interests, and too anti-democracy to be voted for again.
And I agree with you about Trump but I'll give you an even better reason to vote for him he will be watched constantly and have to fight for every change he desires and work hard to sell it to the American people while we have already seen that Hillary will be given a blank check because she is the corporate candidate and the establishment republicans suckle at the same corporate teats she does.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 5, Informative) by jmorris on Thursday October 20 2016, @05:57PM
Project Veritas has posted the full unedited footage of every one of their undercover stings. Every. One. And each and every time the Narrative, as parroted by you, is to dismiss the evidence by declaring them 'highly edited videos' while ignoring the reality that EVERY news package aired by any news organization has been 'highly edited' but the full footage is not made available.
Seeing as you guys have been bearing the same false witness against them for years now I'm left with either willful ignorance or malice. No other options are available, while it is normal to ascribe things to stupidity instead of malice, since nobody is that stupid that won't work.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20 2016, @06:38PM
Links for the unedited videos please. I will watch them and judge for myself.
Giant meteor 2016!
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Thursday October 20 2016, @07:11PM
The root problem here is an unwillingness to discern, discover, and agree upon the facts, and a raging contempt for education, knowledge, and science.
If you want to be taken seriously, you'd better get the facts correct. Check _all_ the info, don't get sloppy and let one or two slide, then complain that others cherry picked the few bad nuggets of false info from the goldmine of truth. For example, the Washington Times article that Hairyfeet quotes says:
"Nearly 43,000 voters in Pennsylvania had potentially duplicate registrations in either Pennsylvania or other states, data researcher Voter Registration Data Crosscheck found."
Crosscheck? Really? Crosscheck doesn't stop voter fraud, Crosscheck IS voter fraud! http://www.gregpalast.com/help-us-stop-lynching-by-laptop-sign-the-petition/ [gregpalast.com] Crosscheck is a deliberately sloppy way of detecting supposed fraud by assuming that two people with the same first and last name might be the same person. Even when the people have middle names, different middle names, Crosscheck doesn't use those. As far as Crosscheck is concerned, Michael A. Jackson of Roanoak, VA could be the same person as Michael B. Jackson of Plymouth, MA. So when this Washington Times article extrapolates from that incorrect information that voting fraud could be rampant, that's just sensationalist bull. Notice also the weaselly way they word it: "potentially". Maybe that ought to be checked, hmm, find out if that's a yes there are lots of duplicate registrations or no there aren't?
As for the Project Veritas videos, how about this: http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/19/scott-foval-reportedly-fired-from-political-organization-over-sting-videos/ [snopes.com]
So, Project Veritas won't release the raw video, they will only release edited, heavily edited, video? In that case why should anyone striving for objectivity believe them?
Over the past 20+ years, I've watched the Republicans degenerate from a serious party with a valid political philosophy to a disgusting pusher of lying propaganda that isn't even all pretty unicorns and rainbows, it dips into the uglier corners of macho male bluster, what with this fetish for firearms and wars, and even rape. Legitimate rape, WTF? If that was the only case, I could excuse that as an aberration, an unfortunate exception. But no, Republicans insist on demonstrating over and over that they think less of women. Mourdock: "...even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that is something that God intended..." And this election it's the highest Republican himself, the nominee for President of the US, Trump: "Grab them by the pussy." It goes a long ways back, for instance Clayton Williams in the 1990s and his infamous comment about relaxing and enjoying the inevitable, be that bad weather or rape. They don't limit themselves to sexism, oh no, they've just got to do racism and religious intolerance too. They cry over the deficit, but blow trillions on unnecessary wars. They're contemptuous of science and fact to truly stunning levels. Why deny Global Warming? Why? We have tons of evidence that Global Warming is real, our fault, and a big problem. But seems that kind of problem doesn't fit the world view the Republicans want to have. Can't very well send forth the military to defeat that enemy. I'll give The Donald one thing, the War of Choice was a huge mistake, and it didn't help make America safer.
Given that truly abysmal track record, why should anyone not think this story is garbage, nothing more than a mess of alt-right lunatic conspiracy theories?
The Republican party needs a reboot. Badly. Or go die in a fire.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 20 2016, @08:40PM
For the same reason you believe MSM news who do the exact same thing. Oh, wait, you believe them because they tell you what you want to hear.
I agree. And the Democrats need it about, oh, fifteen times as bad. They are corrupt to the point of no longer being a political party so much as organized crime.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20 2016, @10:30PM
I didn't see any support for MSM, and pointing out the flaws in others is not a good argument about a flaw in yours. I watched part of the video, and the cuts were a little damning. Context is left out, even worse, added by the editor in a cut between clips.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 20 2016, @10:45PM
So, anything that's not up to your standards is immediately irrelevant? Apparently you get no news whatsoever then and are left adrift without a clue what's going on in the world.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Friday October 21 2016, @03:49AM
You know how you can tell a Hillarybot? They either refuse to watch (the "see no evil" bit) or make excuses for the hidden camera footage.
Lets be honest here man, at this point there is absolutely no doubt there is massive voter fraud and corruption in both the DNC and white house because you have both members of the Hillary campaign AND a fricking election commissioner in a battleground state OPENLY TALKING ABOUT IT ON CAMERA!
I mean WTF are they gonna say at that point? They put words in their mouths? Don't believe your lying eyes? You can watch the video and see and hear them clear as day talking about busing in illegals to sway elections, a federal crime....see any of them going to jail? You think that if YOUR ass talked about committing federal crimes on camera you wouldn't be in a holding cell at this very moment?
Frankly they have NO excuses at this point, except to outright ignore the evidence and misdirect. And FWIW I don't give a rat's fuck what the Republicans say because 1.- this ain't kindergarten and "he did bad things so we can do bad things too!" is not a fucking excuse and 2.- I was a Bernie backer and watched as the primary was outright STOLEN from the American people by a politician that makes Nixon look honest and a MSM that will cover up every crime she commits because she kisses the right corporate booty.
I mean for fucks sake you had the head of the FBI admit under oath she lied to the FBI, lied to congress, kept classified emails on an unsecured server, used multiple unsecured devices in hostile countries AND if that wasn't enough willfully destroyed evidence when she heard there was an investigation....for fucks sake what does this woman have to do to get arrested in this country, become a fricking serial killer? There isn't anything subtle or even debatable at this point, between the wikileaks and hidden camera footage we have undeniable proof of widespread corruption in both the DNC and white house yet our media covers for it more than Pravda covered for the Kremlin!
I'm sorry but anybody who sees this mountain of evidence and still makes excuses? Is doing nothing but lying to themselves and frankly isn't worth wasting the time to respond to, as I said wikileaks could drop a vid tomorrow of Hillary holding a woman down for Billy to rape and they would be "But but Trump said bitches in 1997, that is more important than actual crimes!". I guess if Nixon would have been a D elected in this century Watergate would have been a "Russian plot" and he would have had a wall of celebrities and the MSM to tell you to just ignore your lying eyes and vote D, because corruption and federal crimes only count if its done by someone who isn't a part of the establishment.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 21 2016, @09:26AM
I know an idiot when I see one.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 21 2016, @10:23AM
Sold all your mirrors then, have you?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday October 20 2016, @04:57PM
TLDR: Your source is BS, your point is wrong, and you have made up your mind not by looking at the facts but by deciding what is happening and searching for evidence to prove it. You should be just as ashamed for voting for trump as anyone that votes for HRC.
And poor Hairyfeet wonders why he gets modded "flamebait"? Has he even taken the Hairyfeet Challenge? How could anything Hairyfeet posts not be flamebait?
BTW, I never try to shame people for voting for Trump. Instead I shame them for being stupid and racist, which is the reason they vote for Trump. Much more constructive, and not censorship at all!!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 20 2016, @05:50PM
Your own partisanship is well known. Hairyfeet happens to be right. If the voters in America had any sense at all, they would realize that Johnson and Stein are both far lesser evils than the two in the lead. But, collectively, we are to god damned stupid to understand simple truths. Because we are stupid, we are going to have a steaming pile of fecal matter elected to the highest office of our land.
(Score: 2, Informative) by cmdrklarg on Thursday October 20 2016, @07:08PM
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday October 20 2016, @04:29PM
I'm really hoping that the Russians CAN and HAVE rigged the election: can you imagine Hillary supporting President Trump? Not a chance... she'd be the first one to be yelling 'FIXED!', and of course Comey would be supporting her 100%.
America is humped. Second Amendmenters need to clear house of both T and H.
Bernie for 2016! :)
(at least Bernie gave me far less willies....)
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20 2016, @07:07PM
Like I've observed before, if Clinton wins, it'll be because of this massive voting fraud. If Trump wins, it'll be because of these Russian hackers. Nobody has good evidence for either proposition.
A co-worker noted that I may need to move my prediction of 2018 riots up to 2017. NOW may be a good time to stay away from major cities :/
I don't know what's going to happen, but no matter how I look at it, all of this is very, very bad.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday October 20 2016, @11:48PM
Trump should know, he's the one doing the rigging. He's trying to lose as hard as he possibly can, it looks to me, by offending EVERYONE except misogynists, racists, other bigots, those who hate the military, and incredibly STUPID people.
I can't figure out why he's doing it, though. But it sure looks like he's trying damned hard to lose. I wonder how much the DNC paid him?
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(Score: 3, Informative) by mcgrew on Thursday October 20 2016, @11:41PM
I only have a gig of memory and that site is HORRIBLY designed, but what I saw of it before it yanked me off its page was ISOLATED INCIDENTS. One dead WWII vet in an entire county voting is far from the "widespread voter fraud" Trump claims.
Factcheck.org says: [factcheck.org]
However, voter suppression [wikipedia.org] actually is a problem.
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