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posted by janrinok on Sunday October 23 2016, @09:07AM   Printer-friendly
from the what-would-you-do? dept.

The phone rang. It wasn't a number she recognized, but distracted by the bleeding thumb, she answered it. Mom always answers the phone.

She heard screaming. It sounded like her 23-year-old daughter's voice, begging for help. Then an unfamiliar voice announced, "We have your daughter."

What followed next was five hours of hell. And it was all a scam...

Police call it a virtual kidnapping — an old scam that is having a renaissance across the country and particularly in the Washington region. The callers target affluent areas and find enough information online to make their ruse plausible.

Mueller, 59, had no idea that she was being played. She believed her daughter's life was at stake and did everything she was instructed to do.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 23 2016, @12:21PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 23 2016, @12:21PM (#417815)

    Really grasping at straws, ain't 'cha?

    On the one hand, this could play as a particularly tasteless joke (my friends have done worse, but we're all a bit funny in the head). On the other, the Halloween edition of the Nigerian Prince email.

    This reminds me of the guy who use to call businesses claiming he was a police (at least there is the actual crime of impersonating an officer) get managers to do obscene things to some employee suspected of a crime.

    The Milgram experiment immediately sprang to mind and the often overlooked part: several people refused.

    Is it the people or the circumstance that is really at fault here? I'd say the people, both those that would follow blindly, and those looking for the blind to lead.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 23 2016, @01:14PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 23 2016, @01:14PM (#417826)

    Letting gullibility punish itself sounds good until everything turns into an orgy of backstabbing fuckery. Seriously, you say this shouldn't be illegal, so I suppose you'd have no problem with me walking up to you and threatening to blow your brains out if you don't strip naked and give me everything? If you try to walk away - guess again - I've got some friends and you're surrounded, and we're all threatening you. Defend yourself, we claim self defense when we kill you, after all, threatening people wouldn't be illegal, and we can just say that the gun was yours and we took it after a struggle when you tried to unjustifiably kill us - after all, we were only trying to intimidate you into giving your possessions. And this is just the basic version, just imagine if me and my friends run a bank...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 23 2016, @01:42PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 23 2016, @01:42PM (#417834)

      You imagine that the orgy of backstabbing fuckery only travels in one direction, and not say facing 20 years on conspiracy charges so vague, you may have just committed a crime with your example.

      Hard cases make bad law.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Sunday October 23 2016, @03:48PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 23 2016, @03:48PM (#417871) Journal

        You imagine that the orgy of backstabbing fuckery only travels in one direction, and not say facing 20 years on conspiracy charges so vague, you may have just committed a crime with your example.

        So now, we're to excuse crimes because the criminal activity here is not clearly defined in your own head?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 24 2016, @07:03AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 24 2016, @07:03AM (#418059)

          Rather than "excuse crimes", we should simply have absolute freedom of speech. The things you claim are harmful are not actually truly harmful at all.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday October 24 2016, @07:50AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 24 2016, @07:50AM (#418066) Journal

            The things you claim are harmful are not actually truly harmful at all.

            Like fraud? Extortion?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Sunday October 23 2016, @02:23PM

      by Arik (4543) on Sunday October 23 2016, @02:23PM (#417848) Journal
      "And this is just the basic version, just imagine if me and my friends run a bank..."

      Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob everyone!

      --
      If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 23 2016, @01:16PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 23 2016, @01:16PM (#417827)

    > Really grasping at straws, ain't 'cha?

    No. Lying to obtain money is the textbook definition of fraud.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 23 2016, @01:31PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 23 2016, @01:31PM (#417831)

      Might want to notify the admen. Boy, will they be shocked.

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 23 2016, @04:57PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 23 2016, @04:57PM (#417889)

        Not really. Ad companies are legendary in some of their attempts of just skirting the law. That is why you see all hard number prefixed with "up to" or with a footnote that reads "results not typical." But most of the time, they don't make any factual claims at all. Even with all that, the smaller players still get dinged all the time by the FTC.

  • (Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 23 2016, @02:33PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 23 2016, @02:33PM (#417854) Journal

    Multiple people conspired to fraudulently separate the woman from her money. You are grasping at straws in an attpempt to maintain the density and obtuseness of your head. It's time to trade in your box of rocks, man.

  • (Score: 3, Touché) by khallow on Sunday October 23 2016, @03:43PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 23 2016, @03:43PM (#417869) Journal

    Really grasping at straws, ain't 'cha?

    Not at all. I'd add extortion and theft to the list and of course, the ubiquitous wire fraud.

    On the one hand, this could play as a particularly tasteless joke (my friends have done worse, but we're all a bit funny in the head).

    The obvious rebuttal is follow the money. If there was no intent to take money, then it's going to greatly weaken, if not rule out the case for the nastier crimes on the list. A "tasteless joke" where I end up paying $10k is not that. It's a pretty nasty crime.

    Is it the people or the circumstance that is really at fault here? I'd say the people, both those that would follow blindly, and those looking for the blind to lead.

    What circumstance? The opportunity to steal $10k from a gullible person is a circumstance. Actually stealing that money is a deliberate action not a circumstance. It's definitely the people who are criminals not the circumstances.