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posted by janrinok on Thursday October 27 2016, @06:55AM   Printer-friendly
from the they-had-a-dream dept.

The Pirate Party looks set for a successful outing in the coming weekend's Icelandic elections.

A poll by local newspaper Morgunblaðið and the Icelandic Social Science Research Institute of the University of Iceland reports support for the Pirate Party is running at about 22.6 per cent, a point-and-a-half ahead of the ruling Independence Party and four points clear of the Left-Greens. That's impressive support, although the party's support has fallen a couple of points since March 2015.

Iceland uses s proportional representation system so the party's current level of support will likely translate into about 15 seats in the 63-member Althingi.

That won't be not enough for Píratar, the party's Icelandic name, to take government. It's also ruled out a coalition with the Independence Party.

But earlier this year Independence split and the recently-formed splinter group Viðreisn (tr. "Regeneration") is polling at 8.8 per cent and has ruled out joining a government with any of the current coalition parties. If the Pirates can align with Viðreisn and other like-minded parties it may therefore become part of a governing coalition and win some ministries.

Four years for a party founded by geeks to take over the government is not bad.


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  • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday October 27 2016, @04:45PM

    by Thexalon (636) on Thursday October 27 2016, @04:45PM (#419473)

    So why are some of the more extreme right-wing governments around these days are the ones that have come out of the parliamentary systems? Is that more representative of the people, or is that something inherent in the system?

    That is in fact more representative of the people's actual opinion. For example, look at Greece: The Golden Dawn Party is gaining strength, and is quite openly nationalistic and racist. The reason they have a lot of public support has a lot to do with the fact that (A) the Greek economy sucks, (B) the less extreme parties weren't able to fix it, (C) the extreme left-wing party Syriza wasn't able to fix it, and (D) a lot of the people affected by all of that know they didn't do anything wrong. When that all is happening, it's relatively easy to convince people that the problem is immigrants, foreigners, dangerous backstabbers who talk funny, and so forth.

    And that's exactly what led to that little dust-up in the late 1930's and early 1940's.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 27 2016, @08:50PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 27 2016, @08:50PM (#419559)

    That would almost seem to be a knock against your argument for parliamentary systems. Perhaps the built-in inertia of the two-party system helps dampen out the reactionary response you're talking about.

    • (Score: 2) by t-3 on Friday October 28 2016, @12:52AM

      by t-3 (4907) on Friday October 28 2016, @12:52AM (#419665)

      Representative democracy is simply oligarchy by another name. Someone who stands to gain power and influence will tell any lie to get elected, and exploit the "us vs. them" mob mentality that rules human social behavior. It only works when there is a high level of political awareness and involvement beyond the superficial in the population, and this cannot last for any long period of time. Direct democracy is the only way to have a truly representative system, because in direct democracy, the people represent themselves.

      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday October 28 2016, @01:45AM

        by Thexalon (636) on Friday October 28 2016, @01:45AM (#419686)

        In direct democracy, the people who can afford to take the time and effort to do so represent themselves.

        That's the problem right there. Sure, direct democracy can be fantastic, as I know from growing up in an area where Town Meeting is a long-standing tradition, but as the scale of the thing being managed becomes larger, direct democracy becomes less and less practical.

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    • (Score: 2) by fritsd on Friday October 28 2016, @10:08AM

      by fritsd (4586) on Friday October 28 2016, @10:08AM (#419783) Journal

      That would almost seem to be a knock against your argument for parliamentary systems. Perhaps the built-in inertia of the two-party system helps dampen out the reactionary response you're talking about.

      Yes, I have heard that exact argument used in the UK. The UKIP has such a large proportion of the popular vote, that Nigel "you're not laughing now!!1!" Farage [wp.com] [WARNING super unpleasant website, maybe NSFW] basically represents 1/3 of the UK in the Europarliament (21 / 72 MEPs; MEP=Member of the European Parliament).

      (You can guess that that does wonders for the coming Brexit negotiations!)
      Yet UKIP has only 1 MP (Member of Parliament) in the Westminster parliament. That's VERY skewed.

      But sometimes countries tumble into situations that cannot be solved by the two halves of the Party of Power.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 27 2016, @11:39PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 27 2016, @11:39PM (#419623)

    SYRIZA (it's an initialism) isn't "extreme left".
    Hell, they aren't Left at all.

    Their -rhetoric- during the campaign was Left.
    As soon as they took office, they immediately showed that THEY ARE ACTUALLY PRO-AUSTERITY.[1]
    They took out *new* loans which went right into the hands of their creditors; none of it went into the actual economy.

    If you want to see how to do this stuff right, check out what Iceland has done.
    First they told their banksters to pound sand when it came to bailing them out.
    Next, they started jailing those crooks.

    The Golden Dawn Party is gaining strength

    ...if you count the digits -behind- the decimal point.
    Even during bad times, most folks don't become assholes.

    it's relatively easy to convince people that the problem is immigrants, foreigners, dangerous backstabbers who talk funny, and so forth

    ...when the media doesn't do its job properly.
    Big props to Edward R. Murrow here.
    ...and a big raspberry for essentially all of Lamestream Media of the last 4 decades (at least).

    ...and schools could not possibly teach anything that is -more- important than the History of the 1930s (the economic crash and the rise of Fascism).
    ...but many US History classes never get that far in the book.
    ...and when they do, they gloss over it.

    [1] There has never been a single example where austerity has pulled a country out of the shitter.
    It only makes things WORSE.
    Stop paying on debts that you can NEVER repay; take your lumps and move on.
    If you need advice, ask the folks in Iceland how they did it.

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