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on Monday October 31 2016, @06:16PM
from the explosions-killing-everybody-isn't-a-choice dept.
from the explosions-killing-everybody-isn't-a-choice dept.
Researchers at MIT have put together a pictorial survey http://moralmachine.mit.edu/ -- if the self-driving car loses its brakes, should it go straight or turn? Various scenarios are presented with either occupants or pedestrians dying, and there are a variety of peds in the road from strollers to thieves, even pets.
This AC found that I quickly began to develop my own simplistic criteria and the decisions got easier the further I went in the survey.
While the survey is very much idealized, it may have just enough complexity to give some useful results?
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for ARTIFICIAL FLAVORING!!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 31 2016, @08:45PM
I will never be in or allow anyone whose life I am responsible for to be in any vehicle where a machine that does not value my/their life/lives above all others is making decisions about who lives and who dies. If it comes to a decision between mowing down a dozen gradeschool kids or running my nephews into a tree, there had better be dead school kids scattered as far as the eye can see.
Now you may think that means I have no empathy. It doesn't. I have plenty of empathy. If you think otherwise, the problem is you have no loyalty and thus cannot comprehend its ethical function in healthy minds or societies.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by dyingtolive on Monday October 31 2016, @09:31PM
I cannot disagree. A vehicle SHOULD have to prioritize the passengers above anyone else because otherwise you're trying to market a literal deathtrap that is substandard in price AND features to the person making the decision to purchase it.
Or, put simpler by Heinlein, "Being generous is inborn; being altruistic is a learned perversity."
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by caffeine on Tuesday November 01 2016, @04:44AM
The way I see it, when you choose to ride in an autonomous vehicle, you trust your life to it. The pedestrians have not signed up to that risk.
If the choice is to kill a pedestrian or kill a passenger, it should be the passenger. They accepted that risk when they boarded the vehicle.
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Tuesday November 01 2016, @06:15PM
So a bunch of innocent kids need to die because of YOUR DECISION to buy an autonomous car and send your nephew to school in it?
The car should always prioritize those who had zero control over the situation above those who voluntarily put themselves at risk. The problem is the first car company to do otherwise forces all the rest to follow -- because I'm sure you aren't the only one who would never purchase a car that holds YOU responsible for your actions when it could put that risk onto others.
http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/self-driving-car-ethics [smbc-comics.com]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 01 2016, @07:06PM
You make em do whatever you like. Those are simply my criteria for ever making use of one.
And no, it's not immoral. You simply care less for yourself and those closest to you than you do for people you've never met. It's called altruism and it most certainly is immoral.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by Arik on Tuesday November 01 2016, @09:49PM
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 01 2016, @10:19PM
This does not concern me. They can't be any worse to drive with than some of the chuckleheads on the roads now.
"Oh, I'm about to miss my exit! Must cross three lanes of traffic in fifty yards whether it's clear or not!"
The fun part's going to be when an exploit gets published for them and jackasses decide to play GTA with real cars. Because it WILL happen.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by Arik on Tuesday November 01 2016, @10:41PM
"The fun part's going to be when an exploit gets published for them and jackasses decide to play GTA with real cars. Because it WILL happen."
Do you really not see how these two opinions are not consistent with each other?
I agree with you on the second, and on the basis of the second, the first is plainly wrong.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday November 02 2016, @12:57AM
You must not drive much.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by Arik on Wednesday November 02 2016, @01:37AM
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday November 02 2016, @02:06AM
Neither. You have apparently paid attention to your own driving instead of watching out for everyone else though or you would have noticed how abysmally some people pilot their vehicles.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by Arik on Wednesday November 02 2016, @12:27PM
If you'll look back up the thread you'll find I never denied it.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?