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Do studies show that soft drinks promote obesity and Type 2 diabetes? It depends on who paid for the study.
Researchers from the University of California, San Francisco, looked at studies of soft drink consumption and its relationship to obesity and diabetes published between 2001 and 2016. They found about 60 studies that were fairly rigorous in their methodology. When the studies were led by independent researchers, they showed a clear link between soda consumption and obesity or metabolic disease. But notably, 26 of the studies reported no link between sugary soft drinks and poor health.
What was different about the studies that found no connection to health problems? They were all carried out by researchers with financial ties to the beverage industry. The findings were published Monday [DOI: 10.7326/L16-0534] [DX] in the Annals of Internal Medicine.
Also at LA Times and Houston Chronicle.
Previously: Sugar Industry Secretly Paid for Favorable Harvard Research in 1960s
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 02 2016, @03:34AM
What is the rate of type 2 diabetes among ...
active duty soldiers?
olympic and other national level athletes?
manual labourers such as farmers and carpenters?
bodybuilders?
... and how does this relate to their soda intake?
If you do more work before your mid-morning coffee break than most suburbanites do all week in the gym, what are your odds? Does Big Soda have any bearing on this?
Maybe, just maybe, does this have something to do with the general level of inactivity?
How does this correlate with raised BMI, but higher muscle percentage? In other words, if your BMI thinks you're morbidly obese, but you bench 300, or spend a whole day in the saddle and still have energy to toss bales for feeding cattle, what does that say?
More data needed. Lots more.
(Score: 2) by t-3 on Wednesday November 02 2016, @04:07AM
Ver much this. I remember reading an article, may have been here on SN but can't remember, that said a small build up of fat on some organ was directly linked to type 2 diabetes. I've also never met a skinny person with type 2, and I'm not sure that I've ever heard of one.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Wednesday November 02 2016, @01:31PM
You have a reverse correlation problem where you assume bodybuilders are a random sample of the population, like the soviet central planning division rolled dice or the draft board pulled numbers half a century ago and a perfectly random sample of the population magically had to become marathon runners or infantrymen or whatever.
Its like assuming playing pro basketball somehow makes people turn black and grow really tall like a NBA player, so the logical medical prescription to short people or dwarfism is to hand out basketballs. Rather than getting skin cancer from suntanning you can just hand out basketballs to pale white people and they'll darken right up after a couple free throws.
Also having lifted weights and been in the .mil I can assure you that it takes an unholy hell of a lot of sweat to burn off a mere can of mt dew, much less an entire bag of corn chips or a whole pizza. Our ancestors evolved such that a stomach-full of raw mammoth can power you a very long time even if you live like a restless caveman. And we have factory "food-like" products that are much more energy dense than raw mammoth meat.
Something I've noticed eating low carb / more or less paleo is its a given assumption that if you're a carb addict you have to eat like six times a day due to repeated insulin crashes (which can't possibly be good for you...) and six large stomachfulls of food will make you fat as hell. But once you adjust to a lower carb intake and break the sugar craving I snack a few times a day but I really only eat a serious meal about once a day. Yesterday all I ate outside dinner was some peanuts and some melon. Dinner was a big scoop of more or less homemade chicken taco filling and a pretty huge salad. Without the sugar craving I'm just not as hungry as we're "supposed to be" which means I have less opportunity to F up my health by over-eating.
BMI
Someone who's doing well on military PT tests or stacking hay bales all day or whatever probably isn't part of the "weightloss industrial complex" and their doctor probably doesn't care about their weight or BMI if they obviously have biceps larger than a fat ladies thighs. So circulating back around to the same correlation problem above, the guys freaking out about BMI probably are in fact really fat and sick, and people busy exercising and laboring don't spend much time contemplating their non-existent obesity. (well, the crazy psychologically ill cardio bunnies excluded, the chicks who literally do aerobics until they die of malnutrition)
Another way to phrase it is people who are very proud of their measured body fat percentage generally don't care too much about their less accurate measurements like weight or BMI, but people who are flunking all the measurements can't get out of it by blaming the simplistic technology.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 02 2016, @06:45PM
>Maybe, just maybe, does this have something to do with the general level of inactivity?
Yes, yes it does. But please remember that even a very active person is still having to process & deal with the volumes of sugar & acidic properties that soda brings. Just like a fat lazy bum with the only difference is not seeing it on the outside, (active/trim person). But inside, on the arteries, on the hears, on the liver... yeah the effects of soda will collect there.
Alcohol has a lot of sugars in it too. And problems with the circulatory system such as hardening of the arteries, is a known effect of ingesting sugars over long periods of time, (as seen in alcoholics). Sugary drinks are sugary drinks. Body can only handle so much internally.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 03 2016, @03:16AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 03 2016, @01:28PM
True. I had a friend that was like 6'1 ~250 (I think the most he weighted was like 275) lbs but he benched like twice his weight (~400) and curled I think it was maybe 200 pounds or something. This was in high school. He was the strongest person in his high school all around (he played football and his high school beat all the other schools in first place), his dead lift was somewhat close to world record numbers by his senior year. By his junior year of high school his bench press was either tied or almost tied with the first strongest person in the school (a senior at the time) but the first strongest person weighed considerably more than 300 pounds IIRC. He beat that persons record by the time he became a senior and set a new record in the history of the school.
He also got kicked out of the weight room at one time for putting so much weight on the 45 pound bar that he bent it.