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posted by NCommander on Monday November 07 2016, @12:44PM   Printer-friendly
from the whadaya-say? dept.

So, as per usual, I like to occasionally check the pulse on the community to make sure that people for the most part are happy and satisfied with the day-to-day operation of the site. For those of you who are new to the community, first, let me welcome you and explain how these work.

When I open the floor to the community, the intent is to provide a venue to discuss anything related to site operations, content, and anything along those lines. I actively review and comment on these posts, and if one issue pops up multiple times in comments, I generally run follow up articles to try and help address issues the community feels is important before someone decides to take rehash and form a spinoff. Feel free to leave whatever thoughts you want below.

In contrary to my usual posts, I don't have that much to say to this, so to both the community and editorial team's relief, I'll cut this off right here before it becomes Yet Another NCommander Novel.

~ NCommander

 
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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by cmn32480 on Monday November 07 2016, @01:06PM

    by cmn32480 (443) <cmn32480NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday November 07 2016, @01:06PM (#423464) Journal

    We could use some additional submissions on technical items. We seem to be seeing a very high percentage of social/politics lately (not that it is a big shock).

    An additional editor or two wouldn't hurt either.

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    Starting Score:    1  point
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    Total Score:   5  
  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @01:22PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @01:22PM (#423470)

    A largish portion of the technical stories are very insular to particular fields, and as such have limited appeal/understanding for those not invested already.

    I try to breakdown what limited areas I'm knowledgeable about, but there usually isn't much discussion to be had for those stories.

    Oh, and the stunt modding is becoming irksome.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Nerdfest on Monday November 07 2016, @01:33PM

      by Nerdfest (80) on Monday November 07 2016, @01:33PM (#423478)

      I like the tech articles even when it's not something I'm very familiar with. It's a great way to learn when you can ask stupid questions to people that can actually know the field (or pretend to ... there's always that danger).

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Gaaark on Monday November 07 2016, @05:10PM

        by Gaaark (41) on Monday November 07 2016, @05:10PM (#423607) Journal

        I like the historical "I didn't know that" kind of thing (like the BBC's Connection's show). I crave knowledge (my problem is due to lack of sleep and getting old, my brain doesn't hold info well at times, so i can watch Connection's over and over and over and sometimes go "I didn't know that" when i know at one time i did know it, lol.

        History info. Stories that are odd. Stuff like the rise of Pinkerton's, or the lady who killed her husbands for their money just to remarry and do it again: then when she was about to get caught, it looks like she faked her own death in a fire
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_Gunness [wikipedia.org]

        And anything about Hitler and Churchill/WWI/WWII... like a car crash: horrible, but fascinating (how close Hitler got to winning: if only he'd stopped and listened to his Generals at some point and hadn't started the second front war with Russia (which he said they shouldn't have done in WWI). Imagine that: he could have wrapped up England and THEN headed East.
        Stuff like all this.

        Wish i had more time, now, to post. Maybe after Christmas. I can dream, anyways.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @05:27PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @05:27PM (#423621)

          I love the history, politics and economics articles where the posts are backed by some stats/quantitative analysis. If I did another PhD, it would probably be something like this...

        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday November 07 2016, @05:52PM

          by Gaaark (41) on Monday November 07 2016, @05:52PM (#423641) Journal

          another one:
          have you heard the song "Hey man, nice shot"? It's about poor Bud Dwyer (video contains GRAPHIC/bloody material)

          https://youtu.be/eVm88MX2Gw4 [youtu.be]

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Sarasani on Monday November 07 2016, @07:39PM

          by Sarasani (3283) on Monday November 07 2016, @07:39PM (#423712)

          my brain doesn't hold info well at times

          That's why I'm using DevonTHINK [devontechnologies.com] to file all the info I come across. It's by far one of my favourite tools.

          I wish they'd make a version for linux though (so I'd have a way to migrate out of macOS -- which seems to be getting worse over time).

          • (Score: 2) by Fnord666 on Monday November 07 2016, @09:37PM

            by Fnord666 (652) on Monday November 07 2016, @09:37PM (#423766) Homepage

            That's why I'm using DevonTHINK to file all the info I come across. It's by far one of my favourite tools.

            I thought I was the only one using it. It's a great research tool and the summarize ability works well for putting together submissions.

            • (Score: 2) by Sarasani on Tuesday November 08 2016, @05:23AM

              by Sarasani (3283) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @05:23AM (#423940)

              Yes, it is a great tool. I don't normally spruik anything to my friends (or people I get in contact with), but I gladly make an exception for DevonTHINK. The UI looks a bit dated now, but hey, the tool just works -- that's all that matters to me. And I like how it becomes more useful the more stuff you drop in there (DT is not very useful for filing 20 items, but extremely useful for filing 20 million items). I nearly always instantly find what I'm looking for and I can't think of another application that lets you search your local files with advanced search operators such as these:

                      Wildcards: ? * [a-z] [abc] [^abc]
                      Boolean: AND, OR, XOR, NOT, "phrase"
                      Advanced: OPT, NEAR, BEFORE, AFTER
                      Part of word: ~term

          • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday November 08 2016, @01:22AM

            by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @01:22AM (#423883) Journal

            and i'm on linux COMPLETELY. I struggle through, i guess, by trying to be better at placing important, constantly accessible folders/files on my desktop, with less imp. on my home folder.
            Better folder naming, file naming helps. AND BACKUPS!

            Once i get my raspberry pi setup as a file server with my harddrives plugged into it instead of my laptop (once Christmas comes) (and if i can ever get a good desktop computer... saving is soooo hard when the money you earn isn't your own, lol)

            Might have to get my pi it's own web domain name so i can set it up for streaming to myself and others in my family/extended family: something to tinker with (if i everrrrrrrr get time!!!!!)

            Makes me think Dog has something against me, and keeps stealing my space-time. :(

            Also want to reinstall my operating system to an SSD (maybe Arch again, dual boot with ubuntu) to try to speed up my laptop.

            So many wants, so little space-time.

            Aaaaannnd back to Stargate Atlantis! (amongst all the work......)

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @08:44PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @08:44PM (#423739)

        > people that can actually know the field (or pretend to)

        If no one answers, VLM can tell you; he knows everything.

    • (Score: 2) by cmn32480 on Monday November 07 2016, @01:37PM

      by cmn32480 (443) <cmn32480NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday November 07 2016, @01:37PM (#423482) Journal

      Stunt modding? Please explain.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @01:57PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @01:57PM (#423495)

        You have comments that are modded back and forth multiple times depending on which sensibility is offended/promoted, which in itself wouldn't be so bad, but there is very little discussion that follows. Trolling and flamebait are essentially meaningless now.

        As everyone has mod points, this translates into whatever dominant sensibility obliterating any other point of view. It's mob rule.

        Some one else mentioned weighted modding after a comment goes past a certain number adjustments, and it just may be a by-product of the political season in the US, but it does seem the back and forth is more acute now.

        • (Score: 2) by BK on Monday November 07 2016, @03:11PM

          by BK (4868) on Monday November 07 2016, @03:11PM (#423526)

          I think you'll find that mob rule goes back a fair distance before the current US election.

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          • (Score: 2) by BK on Monday November 07 2016, @03:33PM

            by BK (4868) on Monday November 07 2016, @03:33PM (#423532)

            Forgot to include the link! [soylentnews.org]

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        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday November 07 2016, @03:44PM

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday November 07 2016, @03:44PM (#423537) Homepage Journal

          It's probably always going to be populist rule around here. I can't see myself deciding we need a ruling moderator class around here; at least and I plan on weighing in vehemently with that position should it come up again.

          Thankfully, we do have a fair percentage of people who will upvote you even if they disagree with you though. It mostly balances out on average as far as I can tell, though not on every individual comment.

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        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 07 2016, @03:55PM

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 07 2016, @03:55PM (#423552) Journal

          Old Slashdot had meta moderation to address that. I don't know if we have crossed that threshhold, but it's an option.

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          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday November 07 2016, @04:23PM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday November 07 2016, @04:23PM (#423574) Homepage Journal

            I think NCommander fixed that without telling anyone a while back but really that just increases the effect of the majority since the minority wouldn't get to moderate as much any more. The only real solution here is to find someone absolutely impartial and let them start handing out moderation bans. Which just ain't gonna happen because nobody is absolutely impartial.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @09:40PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @09:40PM (#423769)

              The only real solution here is to find someone absolutely impartial and let them start handing out moderation bans. Which just ain't gonna happen because nobody is absolutely impartial.

              Apparently someone thinks they are that impartial. I don't know about anyone else but I got banned from moderation for two weeks for a single downmod that was borderline incorrect but I felt it was justified.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 08 2016, @11:13AM

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday November 08 2016, @11:13AM (#424016) Homepage Journal

                Must have been Spam abuse. Has nothing to do with partiality there. We laid out what constitutes Spam and if you got your mod privs pulled it's because you didn't follow the guidelines. Also, it would have been for a month not two weeks.

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          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by NCommander on Tuesday November 08 2016, @12:57AM

            by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <michael@casadevall.pro> on Tuesday November 08 2016, @12:57AM (#423868) Homepage Journal

            Meta moderation (M2) was fixed some time ago, but is disabled. The current moderation algrothimn doesn't look at the m2 fields in the database at all. I'm not convinced its a way to fix the problem because very few people on the whole moderate in general, and meta-moderation just gets tedious after awhile to the point I'm concerned it would compound the groupthink, since the subset of those who M2 would have more control over who gets mod points vs. not.

            I may be willing to try it on a trial basis, but I'm on the whole 'eh'.

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            • (Score: 2) by mojo chan on Tuesday November 08 2016, @10:54AM

              by mojo chan (266) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @10:54AM (#424006)

              How about making down-mods have negative consequences after say the first 2 per day. That way real trolls can still get their -1s, but people who just go around hammering opinions they don't like will soon end up with no mod points.

              The lack of consequences for bad moderation are what screwed up Slashdot. Meta-moderation was supposed to fix it, but after a while they just started abusing that too and it actually created a feedback loop that ended up helping the trolls.

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              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 08 2016, @11:36AM

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday November 08 2016, @11:36AM (#424023) Homepage Journal

                How about giving out ten points a day and only letting five(?) of them go to downmods? Been tossing that one around inside my head for a bit.

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                • (Score: 2) by mojo chan on Tuesday November 08 2016, @11:49AM

                  by mojo chan (266) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @11:49AM (#424026)

                  I like that, but maybe only 2 for down-mods. What we really want is people to up-mod replies that rebuff arguments they disagree with, not simply mod them down.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by moondoctor on Monday November 07 2016, @01:42PM

      by moondoctor (2963) on Monday November 07 2016, @01:42PM (#423485)

      That's true to a point. I like reading comment threads between knowledgeable people on subjects I don't study. A lot of people here are pretty smart (aside from myself!) and can get a lot and sometimes contribute in intelligent discussions about fields we are interested in but not experts. Better to have more technical stories with few comments and let the gems spark conversation than leave them all out imho.

      I did software for a living for many years and have transitioned to hardware in art/design doing sculptures and whatnot. My gripe? Overall it's not bad at all, but sometimes the condescension when discussing computers around here gets a bit pathetic... [see: circle jerk] Being annoying is 'whatever' but, the big one is that it detracts from the ability for a robust debate to develop.

      All things considered, Soylent is fantastic. Thanks!!

    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday November 07 2016, @05:20PM

      by VLM (445) on Monday November 07 2016, @05:20PM (#423617)

      very insular to particular fields, and as such have limited appeal/understanding for those not invested

      There is a certain pattern I've observed.

      We see that in IT stories like "some linux distro made by two people to save the users the effort of typing a single line of apt-get install folds and shuts down" gets like 10 comments and "best language to start learning programming" gets way over 100 comments.

      So from memory we've had more than a few "STEM stories" like "spacecraft probes uranus" but nobody comments (look closer guys thats kinda a joke there) vs the stories we don't get at all like "top four favorite chemical elements according to Gawker" or similar, were it to exist which it doesnt, would probably get 100+ comments.

      I bet, were it to exist, that a story talking about the relative merits of the three possible post-pluto targets for New Horizons would get 100+ comments. Its too late for that specific topic because they already selected one of the three.

      Or... again its a bit too late but how about a list of five folks in the running for the Nobel Prize in physics this year? That would get a lot of comments. A story of who actually won, less so. Of course that brand is kinda tarnished what with the whole Obama peace prize thing some years back, ugh how embarrassing.

      There is the hidden issue that I appreciate the hell out of a story like "astronomical interesting foolishness" even if it only gets like 3 comments, more than an emacs vs vi flamewar with 100+ comments. Because maybe the metric of whats a "good" story isn't necessarily the most heat or the most comments.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @05:48PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @05:48PM (#423634)

        Maybe what we need are more community discussion submissions and ask soylents?

      • (Score: 2) by lgw on Monday November 07 2016, @09:25PM

        by lgw (2836) on Monday November 07 2016, @09:25PM (#423759)

        I'd vastly prefer Soylent sticks with "EMACS vs VI" clickbait stories over the Slashdot-style gender/immigration political clickbait. I'm OK with the occasional holy war fodder to keep the post count up, from time to time, as long as it's geek holy wars.

        But, yeah, more science stories would be nice. (Soylent is already noticeably better on having science stories than Slashdot though.)

        • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday November 07 2016, @10:21PM

          by VLM (445) on Monday November 07 2016, @10:21PM (#423789)

          I'd agree with that more or less. In my own meandering long winded way I was pointing out that stories like "lets discuss where NASA should send its next probe" inevitably result in a hundred plus comments whereas "NASA probes Uranus" also inevitably results in less than ten comments.

          Yet I find the content of the lesser commented stories very interesting, well at least sometimes.

          • (Score: 2) by Marand on Tuesday November 08 2016, @04:16AM

            by Marand (1081) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @04:16AM (#423924) Journal

            Sometimes a good read isn't necessarily good discussion fodder. Doesn't make it less of a good read. Worrying about whether an article generates discussion is what leads to shitty clickbait fodder and stupid "Does $foo mean $bar?" stupid-question-as-a-headline articles.

            There's already enough of that elsewhere, so I actually appreciate that SN also covers the less discussion-generating stuff as well.

            • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday November 08 2016, @12:56PM

              by VLM (445) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @12:56PM (#424044)

              A live example is the story up right now about the bronze age city discovered in Kurdistan.

              Pretty cool. Very interesting. Theres one comment and its probably gonna die with that one comment. There's gotta be more to say about it? But what?

              "Cool thx for the article" plz no spam

              "This is particularly spooky because I just got the pathfinder card game "mummys mask" base set so hopefully we're not LARP out the whole adventure path, although that would be kinda cool" I would only make a post like this if I were drunk

              "I got to play with a geomagnetic resistance meter once for a short amount of time, it was ancient so this is probably out of date but it was a cool combo of 4-wire metering AND AC measurement. Also I think it was doing something funky with synchronous detection to average/null out power line noise and geomagnetic field noise." The problem is, other than the other 3 or so EE here, no one would possibly care.

              Although in that narrow realm it is interesting, because geologic resistance meters are pretty cool pieces of electronics. You give a noob EE the job of making a resistance meter and they poop out something not entirely laughable but technically works in the lab at least some of the time. Then you're like, oh yeah forgot to mention it has to work in the field, in the rain, be oil field roughneck proof toughness, static electricity proof, corrosion proof, able to run correctly near power lines and your radio communication stuff and survive semi-distant lightning strikes. All at the same time. Actually a story about "how the heck do you make a ground resistance meter in 2016?" is starting to sound like it could accumulate interesting comments.

        • (Score: 2) by mojo chan on Tuesday November 08 2016, @11:10AM

          by mojo chan (266) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @11:10AM (#424015)

          I like the social justice stories. Wouldn't it be nice if people could just scroll past the ones they don't like without having to troll the people who want to make genuine comments on them?

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          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 08 2016, @11:48AM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday November 08 2016, @11:48AM (#424025) Homepage Journal

            It's not trolling to genuinely, fundamentally disagree with the policies of the regressive left.

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            • (Score: 2) by mojo chan on Tuesday November 08 2016, @01:26PM

              by mojo chan (266) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @01:26PM (#424056)

              Sure, but if you can't state that without calling someone an "SJW" and down-modding them, that's trolling.

              Honestly, I'd love to have a proper debate about some of this stuff, but even when they get too people in a room with a moderator it's hard to do.

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              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 08 2016, @02:29PM

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday November 08 2016, @02:29PM (#424071) Homepage Journal

                Re: calling someone an SJW. If the shoe fits...

                Re: downmods. I don't downmod people I'm speaking with, as a rule with very, very few exceptions. And I never downmod someone simply because I disagree with them. Gotta set a good example on moderating or I can't be justified when I bitch about bad moderations.

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      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 07 2016, @10:19PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 07 2016, @10:19PM (#423786) Journal

        I bet, were it to exist, that a story talking about the relative merits of the three possible post-pluto targets for New Horizons would get 100+ comments. Its too late for that specific topic because they already selected one of the three.

        Or... again its a bit too late but how about a list of five folks in the running for the Nobel Prize in physics this year? That would get a lot of comments. A story of who actually won, less so. Of course that brand is kinda tarnished what with the whole Obama peace prize thing some years back, ugh how embarrassing.

        Those sound interesting to me. Can you submit one the next time you think of it?

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        • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday November 07 2016, @10:33PM

          by VLM (445) on Monday November 07 2016, @10:33PM (#423799)

          Yeah that's the problem they were obvious good stories in retrospect. I suppose the annual Nobel and academic rumblings and rumors is obvious topic for a little less than a year from now.

          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday November 08 2016, @12:29AM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @12:29AM (#423856) Journal

            Maybe a helpful thing to do is start an editorial calendar to track such things. I've noticed that at certain times of year there are more science-y stories than usual. It probably coincides with when proposals are due in to the NSF and people put out press releases on their research to juice their chances a bit. I don't know when those things are off the top of my head, though, so perhaps Soylentils who know can help fill in the blanks. Same thing with significant conventions, video game releases, etc.

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            • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday November 08 2016, @01:02PM

              by VLM (445) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @01:02PM (#424046)

              Maybe a helpful thing to do is start an editorial calendar to track such things.

              Great minds thinking alike, I've agitated for years for something like that to hold space mission content.

              The technology is pretty far away from web log bulletin board thingies like this.

              If the startup scene didn't totally suck and if it had any creativity at all, some kind of "community calendar" social media technology would seem to be very start up able. Good luck with the UI, dealing with spam, thats where all the secret sauce would lie.

              • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Tuesday November 08 2016, @07:29PM

                by urza9814 (3954) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @07:29PM (#424201) Journal

                If the startup scene didn't totally suck and if it had any creativity at all, some kind of "community calendar" social media technology would seem to be very start up able. Good luck with the UI, dealing with spam, thats where all the secret sauce would lie.

                But what would a "community calendar" actually look like? Sounds like Google Calendar. Or Facebook events. Just spun off into a single focus website.

                Most people want to import a specific groups' events into their personal calendar. They don't want to dig through events for every group in the area. Where they do it's generally groups that are part of a larger group (ie, student groups at a university; or groups within an office) and they just have a calendar for the larger group that includes all of them already.

                Same goes for Soylent. Ideally we might want to find, for example, an ical feed from NASA of their events and just import that into ours. Of course, some organizations may not have such a calendar, and for those we'd have to track it ourselves. Which could get interesting. Thinking specifically about annual conferences, where the date and location aren't fixed but it still occurs at roughly the same time each year. So you could get interesting features like repeating events without a definite date...maybe it creates a "ghost" event on the same date next year just to remind someone to check and update it? But yeah that's veering way off topic now...

                • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday November 08 2016, @07:57PM

                  by VLM (445) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @07:57PM (#424215)

                  Right but just like BBS software, or web discussion emulation of it, isn't a 3-d simulation of writing on notecards and sticking them on a physical cork board..

                  Another good analogy is I'm old enough to have experienced the last few years of log files being a printer typing out logs and the logs getting tossed into a fireproof safe. If you stay under a couple hundred lines per day its not that ridiculous and dot matrix is inherently line oriented (laser printers being kinda page oriented...) But something like a standard ELK stack (elasticsearch logstash kibana) are not 3-d vrml simulations of my last log file printer from '96 or whatever.

                  A "real" community calendar would have to handle both top down declarative stuff and bottom up suggestion workflows... have some kind of tagging of topics (I'm not into bio so some biology conference would be "eh" to me) some kind of moderation and likely metamoderation. And like you mention there's calendar entries that are pretty fuzzy like "rake up the leaves about this time of year".

                  Doing it right ends up being a lot more complicated than just sharing google calendars. Although that would be better than nothing, I guess.

  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 07 2016, @01:47PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 07 2016, @01:47PM (#423489) Journal

    Can Soylentils recommend additional sources for technical articles? We have Wired, arstechnica, phys.org, bbc, and some others but that can run dry.

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    • (Score: 2) by Kilo110 on Monday November 07 2016, @02:06PM

      by Kilo110 (2853) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 07 2016, @02:06PM (#423502)
    • (Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Monday November 07 2016, @02:08PM

      by shrewdsheep (5215) on Monday November 07 2016, @02:08PM (#423504)

      You can try journals like Nature and Science. Part of their articles have dumbed down versions (in Nature it's news) which could serve as submissions. How about "Ant genomes rewrite history of Panama land bridge".

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 07 2016, @03:33PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 07 2016, @03:33PM (#423531) Journal

        Those are good suggestions. If we can find more like those it would help tilt the balance toward more technical articles.

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      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @08:46PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @08:46PM (#423742)

        > journals like Nature and Science.

        Ladies' Home Journal

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @02:11PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @02:11PM (#423506)

      Can Soylentils recommend additional sources for technical articles?

      I think the "T" in TMZ stands for "Technical".

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @02:13PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @02:13PM (#423507)

      I usually submit biomedical articles from sciencemag.org and nature.com. Both sites have physics/engineering/CS articles as well but I often stay away from those since they aren't my expertise.

      When the "Pending Stories" list is empty and I can't find anything then I go to SciCentral.com for scientific press releases.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 07 2016, @03:45PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 07 2016, @03:45PM (#423539) Journal

        I think that's an important point to consider. If Soylentils who are subject matter experts submit technical articles from their areas of particular expertise on developments they consider important to their field, or that they know are fundamental for laymen to understand, then the chance that we all collectively learn from that goes way up. Me, I have areas of relative expertise, but when I submit a lot of stories I feel most comfortable going with general tech news like you'd find on arstechnica or the like because I take for granted that the information in them was vetted at some level by people with deep expertise.

        For example, I'd love to hear more about CRISPR, but don't even know where to begin. If Soylentils who do work with it have sources to more accessible content with it, and can mediate technical information on it, it would be enormously helpful and attractive to all of us, I think. Part of that sort of happens organically, such as when users like VLM comment on EE subjects, but it might work even better if he could be the resident EE professor, sourcing and mediating that field for the rest of us.

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        • (Score: 2) by hubie on Monday November 07 2016, @06:25PM

          by hubie (1068) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 07 2016, @06:25PM (#423664) Journal

          I like to approach it from the other side. I secretly harbor a fantasy of having my own science blog, but I'm too lazy to actually put in the work to do it (finding stories, contacting the authors and talking to them, etc. etc.). So I skim a handful of journals that interest me, or poke around the press release sections of various places, and try to find interesting articles that I can turn into story submissions. I find it fun to try to translate a scientific paper to a general audience because I learn a lot about the topic that way. However, this takes me quite a bit of time to do, which is why my submission count is not very high.

        • (Score: 2) by Fnord666 on Monday November 07 2016, @09:44PM

          by Fnord666 (652) on Monday November 07 2016, @09:44PM (#423770) Homepage

          I think that's an important point to consider. If Soylentils who are subject matter experts submit technical articles from their areas of particular expertise on developments they consider important to their field, or that they know are fundamental for laymen to understand, then the chance that we all collectively learn from that goes way up.

          The issue that I come across is that a lot of papers in my field are still, even in this day and age, locked behind a paywall. It's hard to have meaningful discussions about the content of a paper when no one can read it.

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 07 2016, @10:35PM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 07 2016, @10:35PM (#423802) Journal

            Yeah that's the barrier I've run into in the past when trying to get better, crunchier stories--journal paywalls. I've thought about data mining the Open Data stuff that swept the scene a couple years ago, because that stuff is collected by the government and supposed to be free to you and me, but that's a lot of work for uncertain gain. I like geographical info and that sort of thing, but how many here do, too?

            And that's part of the dilemma--there are a lot of subject matter experts who could write great stuff on what's state-of-the-art in their fields, but if it's too esoteric for a robust discussion to arise around it, it feels like a huge waste of time for the author, which means it would be the last time they ever did anything like that.

            I've got a process down where I can put together a story submission in 2-3 minutes. Over my morning coffee I can submit 6-10 and get my news reading done at the same time--kills two birds with one stone. If any one of those submissions gets zero comments, it's not a big deal because it only represents 2 minutes of my time and meanwhile it at least supplied a headline on the main page that Soylentils can hearken back to if they want later. I try to spark discussion with an ice breaker or geek reference or lame humor, but it's not ideal.

            So we work with what we have. Sometimes tech/science stories you can sink your teeth into come along in the dozens, and properly spaced out they can last you for a week. Honestly, though, most times there isn't much in the news to be gleaned. More sources can help there.

            Or maybe we approach it like a traditional editor would, whereby they have stories people are working on that run when the "OMG did you hear what just happened?!" stuff runs thin?

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 08 2016, @02:20AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 08 2016, @02:20AM (#423900)

          I'd love to hear more about CRISPR

          I'll keep my eyes open for any interesting papers or will try to write-up a Slow News Day submission on the current state of research. What are you more interested in (e.g. medical applications, its use as a bacterial defense against viruses, designer babies, etc.)?

          There will probably be some clinical trials using CRISPR within a few months and they would definitely be worth discussing.

    • (Score: 2) by tonyPick on Monday November 07 2016, @02:41PM

      by tonyPick (1237) on Monday November 07 2016, @02:41PM (#423514) Homepage Journal

      For general science stuff Jennifer Ouellette's Cocktail Party Physics [typepad.com] is a good weekly round-up of stories. Updated on Saturday, there's usually something in there that is worth a submission when I look.

      Also most stories initially appear through her twitter feed [twitter.com], if you're willing to trawl that.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 07 2016, @03:56PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 07 2016, @03:56PM (#423553) Journal

        That's a good source.

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      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @10:39PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @10:39PM (#423808)

        Wouldn't mind cocking that tail.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @04:51PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 07 2016, @04:51PM (#423593)

      https://www.sciencenews.org/ [sciencenews.org]

      Published by a non-profit established almost 100 years ago to help the public become science-literate - i.e., it's not a PR outlet like phys.org or link spammers that show up in google news' science heading.

    • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Monday November 07 2016, @04:57PM

      by Pino P (4721) on Monday November 07 2016, @04:57PM (#423597) Journal

      Seriously, WIRED, the den of hypocrisy [twitter.com] that reviews privacy tools such as Disconnect with one hand and blocks viewers using those tools with the other? See also what Doc Searls has to say about this hypocrisy [doc.blog].

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 07 2016, @10:41PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 07 2016, @10:41PM (#423809) Journal

        It's hard to disqualify sources for that sort of thing, though, or pretty soon you run out of sources, the queue dries up, and there's nothing to discuss or reason for people to visit the site.

        For example, I really don't like the Register as a source because of their language and approach, but I still submit stuff from them fairly regularly if no other source has that same story that day.

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    • (Score: 2) by Marand on Tuesday November 08 2016, @04:21AM

      by Marand (1081) on Tuesday November 08 2016, @04:21AM (#423926) Journal

      You could always skim slashdot's headlines and see if they've posted anything interesting. ;) The RSS feed is good for that, since the slashdot comments aren't usually worth it anymore, but occasionally they get a submission that's worth checking the original source. Just make sure to write your own summary, since the /. summaries are usually shit.

      Same goes for sites like HackerNews. Sometimes people post interesting niche stuff that might be appealing, though it's usually just personal projects and crap like that.