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On 27 March 1943, a cell of the Dutch resistance committed an attack on the municipal register of Amsterdam. The German occupier had found this register to be extremely convenient: it contained the details of 70.000 Jews in Amsterdam. Also, it proved useful as a means of cross-checking information on identity cards.
Gerrit van der Veen, Willem Arondéus, Johan Brouwer, Rudi Bloemgarten and a number of others had thoroughly prepared the assault and decided there could be no casualties. They entered the building disguised as policemen. Guards were overpowered, given a sedative and taken out the back to be parked in the Artis zoo for safekeeping. The filing cabinets containing public records were turned upside down. After soaking the files in benzene, the group set the largest possible fire.
That night, the fire department played a crucial part. A few resistance sympathizers among the firefighters had been notified of the attack. When the alarm sounded they intentionally delayed the deployment of trucks in order to give the fire time to do maximum damage. Water was used extra generously during and after the extinguishing, in order to add water damage to the havoc of the flames.
In the end, the attack turned out less successful than planned. Due to the tight stacking of the identity cards, a lot of information was saved. Approximately 15 percent of the documents was destroyed by the fire, a few thousand were rendered illegible by the water and of course the overall disarray was enormous.
There are modern lessons to be had from the "big data" collection in states that turned authoritarian during Word War II.
(Score: 4, Informative) by VLM on Monday November 14 2016, @03:00PM
I think you're missing the value of time.
I'm old enough that pre-9/11 at least in the USA as a mostly shared cultural outlook moslem = arab = rich oil sheik and we had TV tropes about the comedy of their culture shock at visiting California or something. So some dude buys a Koran (thats how we used to spell it, back when Peking was Peking) or somehow finds and visits a mosque and people are like whatever, you've got a weird hobby "Laurence of Arabia", now can you do some comedy for us on that topic?
Now post-9/11 in the USA, having a Quran purchase or even library book borrowing record or joining a mosque is probably not helpful to have on your permanent record.
That's where the problem develops, when your record doesn't change, but culture changes around you, such that the interpretation of your record changes from "weirdo but harmless" to "must be the first guy in line for the camps".
That was a typical left wing progressive example. A typical alt right example would be something like how SJW movement is basically anti-white, which sounds weird in a country where most of the people living remember their youth (perhaps decades ago) when their country WAS almost entirely white, before the demographic replacement program went into high gear. Being anti-white is pretty weird in 90% white 1950s and is seen as the only politically acceptable view now in 60% white 2010s.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 14 2016, @07:01PM
That's where the problem develops, when your record doesn't change, but culture changes around you, such that the interpretation of your record changes from "weirdo but harmless" to "must be the first guy in line for the camps".
That was a typical left wing progressive example.
I think you have your left and right mixed up here. Your left-wing example would mean you can't blame a group for actions of an individual? Maybe if you go extreme left, into communist arena, you'd have shut down the mosques and put the guy in some mandatory re-education to indicate how religion is bad?
...WAS almost entirely white, before the demographic replacement program went into high gear. Being anti-white is pretty weird in 90% white 1950s and is seen as the only politically acceptable view now in 60% white 2010s.
I don't know, but it sounds to me like you people have some issues.
Instead of getting closer together, you guys seem to be into more polarized insanities. Somehow you imagine "left-wing" (progressives?) being racist and right wing being "anti-white" racist. So where are the non-racist? Where are the progressives? Where are the *normals*?
In a normal country, right wing used to be pro-business and left wing used to be pro-people. But now right wing have degenerated into nationalists in lots of places with "Trumps" and xenophobes and general racists being elected, all right wing. Centrist and left wing are not really being represented anymore most likely because of apathetic crowd.
Anyway, you may leave politics alone, but as sure as hell, eventually, politics will not leave you alone.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by VLM on Monday November 14 2016, @08:54PM
"left-wing" (progressives?) being racist
"die whitey die" see the anti-trump riot spray paint graffiti. Its kinda hard to re-interpret. Of course the SJWs on college campuses are even more explicit about their hatreds. Not to mention the whole reconquista thing.
.... So where are the non-racist?...... Where are the *normals*?.....
No longer active in American politics. Kinda like Germany in the 30s, you get commies or nationalists. Well, there's like my mom, but she's not politically active nor are her interests represented.
left wing used to be pro-people
Not that way since Bill Clinton took over the DNC back in the 90s and they've been strong pro-corporate since then, pro establishment, pro globalism, screw the citizens and hate the white people.
right wing have degenerated into nationalists
Well, its more complicated than that. The neocons are politically dead, neutered everyone hates them although they are money-magnets. Jeb! The alt right modern nationalist types are basically libertarianism plus human biological differences. Sort of race conscious libertarians. Sort of here's the famous graphs of race vs IQ plus this libertarianism thing is nifty as long as all participants are 100 and above (or the more pessimistic say 120 and above). Wake me when Somalia for example becomes a successful libertarian community, or Detroit for that matter. So you want to run a country at level 100 on an arbitrary scale, anybodies free to play along who CAN play along, just realize its gonna be demographically, um, interesting.
left wing are not really being represented anymore most likely because of apathetic crowd.
Yes the most recent soon to be ex prez ran on the partial slogan of "change" not mentioning the full slogan was "change nothing" and that's kinda a downer. He was probably the biggest disappointment ever elected, because he was going to walk on water and so forth and ended up being kind of a Carter like figure with a tan, to put it nicely. Carter is an excellent analogy, smart as hell, nice guy, well intentioned, utterly incompetent. Sort of the professor from Gilligans Island.
Anyway, you may leave politics alone, but as sure as hell, eventually, politics will not leave you alone.
Amusingly we came to complete agreement on the main topic at the very end of that discussion. That is entirely the point.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday November 14 2016, @11:14PM
The left wing had their candidate, actually, and he's been having a field day the last week. That candidate, of course, was Bernie Sanders and his crew, who is effectively presenting the Democrats with a message of "Reform yourselves, or we walk and you drift off into irrelevancy".
Of course, the problem with the 2016 presidential race is that both major parties and their nominees richly deserved to lose.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:16AM
Speaking German doesn't automatically make one a racist. Btw, shouldn't that be "der whitey"?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by davester666 on Monday November 14 2016, @07:30PM
The US hasn't been almost entirely white for a really really long time. What was almost entirely all-white was television, which you misinterpret as being representative of your overall population.
(Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Monday November 14 2016, @09:02PM
The words don't mean much. For numbers look here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States [wikipedia.org]
So if 1960 isn't ancient history (although it is half a century ago) it was 180M total of which over 150M non-hispanic white which is 83% that could be considered almost entirely or maybe more than 4 in 5 is almost nobody or ...
TV is weird in that when I was younger yeah there was the cosby show and thats about it, but now they're a little over-represented. It probably doesn't matter, like if you looked at NBA player stats you'd think the USA is an African country, but it doesn't really mean anything.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:00AM
Among the many problems with your response, you are forgetting that when the irish, the germans and italians first came to the US they were not white either. Ben Franklin himself was worried that they would contaminate the racial purity of america.
why should the Palatine Boors [Germans] be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.
Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.
Observations Concerning the Increase of mankind -- Ben Franklin [uh.edu]
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday November 14 2016, @08:03PM
> the demographic replacement program went into high gear
We're gonna need more gears:
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2015/04/Race.png&w=480 [washingtonpost.com]
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/12/article-2247119-167CC235000005DC-338_634x448.jpg [dailymail.co.uk]