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posted by janrinok on Tuesday November 15 2016, @03:31AM   Printer-friendly
from the making-the-most-of-an-opportunity dept.

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ProtonMail suggests fear of the Donald prompting lockdown

"ProtonMail follows the Swiss policy of neutrality. We do not take any position for or against Trump," the Swiss company's CEO stated on Monday, before revealing that new user sign-ups immediately doubled following Trump's election victory.

ProtonMail has published figures showing that as soon as the election results rolled in, the public began to seek out privacy-focused services such as its own.

CEO Andy Yen said that, in communicating with these new users, the company found people apprehensive about the decisions that President Trump might take and what they would mean considering the surveillance activities of the National Security Agency.

"Given Trump's campaign rhetoric against journalists, political enemies, immigrants, and Muslims, there is concern that Trump could use the new tools at his disposal to target certain groups," Yen said. "As the NSA currently operates completely out of the public eye with very little legal oversight, all of this could be done in secret."

ProtonMail was launched back in May 2014 by scientists who had met at CERN and MIT. In response to the Snowden revelations regarding collusion between the NSA and other email providers such as Google, they created a government-resistant, end-to-end encrypted email service.

Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/14/protonmail_subs_double_after_trump_victory/


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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Username on Tuesday November 15 2016, @03:41AM

    by Username (4557) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @03:41AM (#426844)

    I guess we just found it. Do they also use bleachbit?

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by frojack on Tuesday November 15 2016, @04:16AM

    by frojack (1554) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @04:16AM (#426856) Journal

    Exactly my thoughts.
    Perhaps they've learned to put those servers out of reach of the US government, and maybe the Russians, and entrust them to someone who might have a clue about security.

    If they can't keep out of trouble with their own party in control of the Administration, more significantly, the DOJ, then what happens when the other party holds those seats?

    I'm betting Obama stops pushing for backdoors in his lame duck weeks too.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Hairyfeet on Tuesday November 15 2016, @04:25AM

    by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Tuesday November 15 2016, @04:25AM (#426859) Journal

    Yeah funny that it wasn't the right doing all the bugging, running stingray units, grabbing phone records for the entire country, nope last I checked it was a D in the white house. On a positive note at least we won't hear them blaming Bush for everything despite the fact their guy has had the big chair for 2 terms now.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by hemocyanin on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:52AM

      by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:52AM (#426902) Journal

      As an extreme left winger, I'm really shocked at how people are so deluded to think the DNC is anything but evil -- seriously due process free execution based on secret legal memos is about as fucking evil as can be. And all these protests - Christ, I've hated every single president ever for good reasons. All these kids whinging that a warmongering, wall street coddling, police militarizing, prison building Democrat didn't win is .... you know how when you were a kid and your grandparents would say "kids these days" -- that's where I'm at. Get off my god damned lawn you pussies and get to work making sure the reaction to Trump is progressive, and thank your lucky stars Clinton didn't win because she'd set back progressive values by decades and Democrats wouldn't say a damn thing, just like they didn't all through Obama's reign. Trump is a freakin' gift.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by opinionated_science on Tuesday November 15 2016, @10:48AM

        by opinionated_science (4031) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @10:48AM (#426912)

        this election convince me (!) that both political parties are simply businesses. They don't care about anything other than power, and the money that comes with it.

        This is probably why most of the population feels disenfranchised - but I am no longer surprised by the corruption and lies.

        I'm not surprised by Trump either - the media orgy to coronate Hilary was simply obvious.

        But both parties suffer from dogma delusion, so we can expect more of the same...

        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday November 15 2016, @12:27PM

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @12:27PM (#426923) Journal

          the media orgy to coronate Hilary was simply obvious.

          I've developed a theory I've dubbed "Taste the Rainbow" to explain it. One of the strongest memes from the election was, "OMG we have to elect our first woman president! Wouldn't that be awesome and historic to do that right after electing the first black president?!" That suggested to me their gameplan was to pick the most evil person they could for the job, but make sure that they had some extrinsic quality from the rainbow of humanity. Thus, after electing a woman president it would become time to "Elect the first Asian president!" and then "The First Gay President!" and then "The First Trans President" and so on. Life for Americans would plummet across every index but the "Taste the Rainbow" would prove how much progress we were making.

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          • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday November 15 2016, @12:46PM

            by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 15 2016, @12:46PM (#426930)

            Or basically, a diversity hire scenario applied to POTUS.

            Its a good distractor issue if the candidate is a psychopath or sociopath. Nobody would take a mafia boss or Al Capone or "insert famous white male criminal here" seriously as a candidate, but if the candidate is the first XYZ, then just pound the table with propaganda about it being the first XYZ.

            • (Score: 2) by t-3 on Tuesday November 15 2016, @02:30PM

              by t-3 (4907) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @02:30PM (#426966)

              Can a convicted criminal serve as president? Will the next great civil rights movement be the repatriation of those who have already been punished?

              • (Score: 3, Funny) by VLM on Tuesday November 15 2016, @03:32PM

                by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 15 2016, @03:32PM (#426991)

                After that the next great progressive goal will be to use cloning technologies so we can have election candidates being "Stalin-II" vs "Literally Hitler"

          • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Tuesday November 15 2016, @03:33PM

            by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Tuesday November 15 2016, @03:33PM (#426994) Homepage Journal
        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 15 2016, @12:30PM

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday November 15 2016, @12:30PM (#426924) Homepage Journal

          this election convince me (!) that both political parties are simply businesses. They don't care about anything other than power, and the money that comes with it.

          Excellent! Now if we could just get more people to pick the red pill instead of the blue one...

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday November 15 2016, @12:33PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @12:33PM (#426925) Journal

        They're protesting because Trump has said mean things. Their generation doesn't read long form prose or sit still for anything that requires longer than 20 seconds to say. Thus processing all the reasons that the DNC and Hillary are evil require more attention span than they have, while understanding the mean things Trump said at Twitter length does not.

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by mcgrew on Tuesday November 15 2016, @03:43PM

          by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Tuesday November 15 2016, @03:43PM (#427003) Homepage Journal

          Someone on TV said "they're protesting democracy!" But it's the exact opposite; Clinton won the popular vote, and that's reason enough to raise a ruckus. Plus, as a veteran, I'm sickened that a draft dodger disrespected a gold star family and a bona-fide war hero.

          Not to mention that the evil scumbag actually bragged about how his wealth lets him get away with sexual assault. Considering how many bankruptcies he's had, and is being sued for fraud, I fear for the economy.

          If I were black I'd certainly protest the election of a man who has been found guilty of racial discrimination and fined for the misdeed, who welcomed the support of the KKK.

          I fear for my country. The only hop is that we not only survived George Bush, we survived James Buchannan.

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          • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:44PM

            by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:44PM (#427176) Journal

            I realize that it's almost against the law to say this, but anyone fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan after perhaps the first two months, or anywhere else in the middle east, is disqualified from being considered a war hero. The first per-requisite to being a war hero, is to fight in a just war. Don't have that, you're just a really good oppressor.

            • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday November 17 2016, @11:11PM

              by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Thursday November 17 2016, @11:11PM (#428471) Homepage Journal

              Well. the war hero was John McCain, not Tammy Duckworth. But the war McCain was in (and so was I, but I'm no hero; I never risked my life to save anyone else's. The closest I was to Viet Nam was Thailand, across the bay) was as much a clusterfuck as Iraq was IMO. But I have to disagree about Afghanistan. It may not be the Christian thing to do, but when someone punches you in the nose, you beat the holy hell out of them like I did that stupid bully in 7th grade.

              But even if the war is unjust, if you risk your life to save someone else's life, you're still a hero.

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          • (Score: 2) by chromas on Wednesday November 16 2016, @12:18AM

            by chromas (34) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 16 2016, @12:18AM (#427291) Journal

            bragged about how his wealth lets him get away with sexual assault

            That never happened. He's a piece of shit. There's no need to make things up. He said women would let someone rich and famous do anything and then he gave a ridiculous example. If women let you grab 'em by the pussy™ then it's not assault.

            Considering how many bankruptcies he's had, and is being sued for fraud

            How many trillions in debt are we? Sounds like he'll fit right in.

            • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday November 17 2016, @11:04PM

              by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Thursday November 17 2016, @11:04PM (#428464) Homepage Journal

              Actually, after the election I looked up the president most historians say was the worst, James Buchannan, who they say caused the Civil War. His Wikipedia's page shows his government experience looks strikingly like Clinton's experience, so I'll say we were screwed no matter who won.

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            • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday November 19 2016, @02:34AM

              by Reziac (2489) on Saturday November 19 2016, @02:34AM (#429237) Homepage

              Stat I've seen was 9 bankruptcies... vs some hundreds of viable businesses. That's one helluva business success rate, when the normal fail rate is somewhere close to half.

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          • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday November 19 2016, @02:32AM

            by Reziac (2489) on Saturday November 19 2016, @02:32AM (#429236) Homepage

            "actually bragged about how his wealth lets him get away with sexual assault"

            Er, no. He was describing, as Karen Straughan put it, golddiggers. What he SAID was that when you're rich, women will LET you do shit (as any star of sports, rock, or screen can attest). He DIDN'T say that HE did such shit.

            Watch the damn tape and listen to his own words, not how the MSM blew it all out of proportion. It really was just dumb lockerroom braggadocio, not a testimony of "sexual assault".

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Tuesday November 15 2016, @01:01PM

        by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 15 2016, @01:01PM (#426934)

        Hmm yeah only the extremes get to see the truth, who would ever have guessed hemocyanin and I agreeing on something political.

        If Bernie hadn't had the nomination stolen, he would have been a much more difficult candidate to beat. Of course add too much "alpha" to Bernie and he's not really Bernie anymore. If he won, I wouldn't be thrilled but I wouldn't be in the streets because at least he's principled and respectable, unlike the crime boss who lost.

        All these kids whinging

        They haven't red pilled yet, or I guess from your perspective, blue pilled, one way or the other, too normie and the entire legacy culture is uniformly progressive and DNC propaganda machines. All journalists, all public school teachers, all entertainment industry degenerates, all united as democrats in support of their candidate. So everyone in a position of authority and trust (at least if you're a dumb kid) tells you she's gonna win for a year and a half, then reality impacts on election day like a freight train hitting a mosquito, and there's gonna be tears and worse.

        Another fascinating aspect of negative campaigning is everyone remembers the anti-trump propaganda that he's going to send black people back to the cotton fields and build a wall at the Mexican border with the skulls of hispanics, give abortion women the death penalty, and burn the jews in ovens. We all saw stuff that bad or almost that bad. Now the campaign is over and no money and no effort is being spent to "correct the record" (LOL hillary) so you got kids freaking out about the media and academia created imaginary "Monster Version of Trump". Monster Trump is going to round up all the gays and send them to band camp without the band but with special showers so lets burn down the city. Real Trump isn't doing that, of course.

        • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:48PM

          by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:48PM (#427181) Journal

          I'm sometimes amused at how often I upvote my direct ideological opponents, but the fact is, there are interesting perspectives all around. The Democrats' problem was living in a bubble and not engaging, something that is made in a sort of funny, but too serious to be funny, way by this British comedian:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs [youtube.com]

          • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday November 15 2016, @09:07PM

            by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 15 2016, @09:07PM (#427202)

            living in a bubble and not engaging

            Its a rapidly and increasingly partitioned country.

            There was an interesting recent zerohedge post floating the idea of a partition, left coast right coast and center. It won't happen because the GDP of the center was way higher that either coast and the coasts would want to stick together. But yeah that's the kind of idle speculation ideas that float around in bad times.

          • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday November 19 2016, @02:37AM

            by Reziac (2489) on Saturday November 19 2016, @02:37AM (#429238) Homepage

            *laughing* As happens I've upmodded you twice in the last day or two for making some cogent point, despite that politically we're probably on different planets. Cheers!

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Hairyfeet on Tuesday November 15 2016, @10:19PM

        by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Tuesday November 15 2016, @10:19PM (#427240) Journal

        Don't forget power selling and racism with the whole "brought to heel" 3 strikes for crime primarily committed by blacks bit, musn't forget that. And the part I find really hilarious? Just how racist this election has shown the left establishment elite to truly be.

          I was a Bernie Backer BTW but after this? We REALLY need a third party, when you have celebrities saying things like "fuck you white pieces of shit" when their corrupt as hell candidate doesn't win and not only not being condemned but praised by members of the liberal media? I'm sorry but we no longer have a liberal party, we have a racist sexist crony party that is so corrupted and rotten they really can no longer be saved, they need to be replaced by a party that cares about Americans and not their oppression olympics.

        And I'm damned glad Trump won, because he has already listed getting rid of NAFTA and killing TPP in his first 100 days, which guess what other candidate was for that? That's right Bernie. Hillary would have been great for the 1%, great for the bankers, great for those that wanted cheap labor, everybody else? They would have just been told to "check their privilege" and be called an "ist" for daring to ask for equal treatment.

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        • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday November 19 2016, @02:42AM

          by Reziac (2489) on Saturday November 19 2016, @02:42AM (#429240) Homepage

          Yeah, Bernie was not my guy for a lot of reasons, but if he'd won at least I wouldn't fear for his integrity. (Not him personally, anyway. As to what pressure he'd be under from the Dem establishment, that might be a different story.)

          "Check your privilege" and similar phrases are best translated as "I'm better than you and don't you forget it".

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    • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Tuesday November 15 2016, @03:28PM

      by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Tuesday November 15 2016, @03:28PM (#426989) Homepage Journal

      Are you young, or just have a short memory? George Bush started that shit as soon as he reached the White House. He was just better at keeping secrets; until Snowden it was just rumor.

      Both parties are equally evil.

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      • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Tuesday November 15 2016, @05:54PM

        by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Tuesday November 15 2016, @05:54PM (#427070) Journal

        OMG take responsibility already! Obama was in the big chair for EIGHT YEARS, he could have simply whipped out his pen and got rid of it at ANY time...he instead expanded it and went farther than Dubya ever did.

        I was a Bernie backer but I have always found it disgusting how the left establishment never takes responsibility for their actions. It didn't matter if Obama got 10 terms they would just keep on screaming "Bush!" while ignoring Obama broke every promise and did exactly jack shit to stop the post 9/11 spying.

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by dry on Wednesday November 16 2016, @02:57AM

          by dry (223) on Wednesday November 16 2016, @02:57AM (#427330) Journal

          The idea that the Democrat party is left wing is hilarious. Economically, Clinton is actually to the right of Trump, though they're close. By definition, right wing is the party of the elites and left wing is the party of the people. Of course at right angles to the economics is the authoritarianism, which both parties are very. Personally being somewhat left leaning and very anti-authoritarian, I can't imagine voting for either and it is so weird seeing supposed libertarians cheering for Trump rather then holding their noses as they vote for what they consider the slightly less evil.

          • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Wednesday November 16 2016, @09:10PM

            by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Wednesday November 16 2016, @09:10PM (#427775) Journal

            I didn't say they were "left wing" I said they were left establishment there is a difference. What you have with the DNC is a combination of corporatism and SJW oppression olympics and white shaming. If you disagreed with any of their policies? You needed to "check your privilege" because you were an "ist". It didn't matter that their policies were screwing American blacks or that Hillary said they should be "brought to heel" or that her trade deal gifts to the 1% were wiping out the lower middle class, nope you better support her or you are an "ist" and uneducated.

            But Trump? Isn't right OR left establishment, which is why so many on the so-called right were quite happy to try to help Hillary win. No what Trump is is a good old fashioned nationalist, something the right hasn't had to deal with since Reagan (whom I would argue would be labeled "alt-right" today) and the left hasn't had to deal with since.....Truman? Until Trump and Sanders both parties were basically Coke VS Pepsi when it came to corporate goals, "free trade", no penalties (and in many cases having the moves paid for by taxpayers) for shipping their businesses overseas and simply importing the finished product, lack of any kind of security on the border, it didn't matter which party you picked they were in total agreement on this points...and then came Trump.

            So I would argue the old left/right definitions just don't work anymore, especially in this last election as you had not left VS right but globalist establishment VS nationalism. Most of the elite? They loved Hillary, be they left or right, and why wouldn't they? She certainly had more in common with Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio than she did with Bernie Sanders.

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            • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday November 19 2016, @02:46AM

              by Reziac (2489) on Saturday November 19 2016, @02:46AM (#429242) Homepage

              As I said throughout the campaign... Trump was the true third party candidate; he only ran as a Republican because that was the field he thought he could beat.

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              • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Sunday November 20 2016, @09:20PM

                by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Sunday November 20 2016, @09:20PM (#430094) Journal

                It was the same with Bernie and I would argue it would have been even more of a blow out if Trump would have chosen Bernie to be VP. After all they had many of the same platform goals, an end to TPP and NAFTA, securing the border, more jobs for the lower and middle classes, this is why Bernie was so hated by the left establishment and HRC was so loved by both the left and right establishment, she was the corporatism candidate and he was a nationalist like Trump.

                This is why I think this is the start of a sea change in American politics, as both Trump and Sanders realized that a huge section of the population have been screwed for the better part of a half a century by the globalists and if you mobilized them? You could not only win the white house but their loyalty that would help you push your agenda through. If they do not give Trump what he wants? He'll be on Twitter in an hour telling the American people they are getting fucked and by whom and the crowds will mobilize for him, not since the old "Bull Moose" Teddy Roosevelt have you had a president that not only pushed for a "drain the swamp" platform (and Teddy was likewise rich and hated by the establishment) but could also mobilize the public to help push his position.

                The next 8 years should be quite interesting, I would say 4 years but as long as he stays on point and keeps as many of his points as he can I have zero doubt he'll get another term, especially if the DNC do as they've been hinting and run Warren. Looking at Warren she is nothing but HRC with less bagge and that shit just isn't gonna cut it anymore, people are being tired of being shamed and told they are an "ist" if they do not support policies that hurt them.

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                • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday November 20 2016, @09:44PM

                  by Reziac (2489) on Sunday November 20 2016, @09:44PM (#430112) Homepage

                  No argument there. I don't think Sanders is enough of a realist for Trump, but yeah, as a ticket they'd have been unbeatable by miles. Probably 75% of the popular vote, including much of California.

                  Trump appears to be shadowbanned on Twitter (I've followed him for some time, but he never shows up in my feed), but even so enough word would get around when he has something to announce to the public, because by now we're on to the SJW censorship tricks. I wouldn't be surprised if instead of press conferences, he does something like weekly Youtube vids. Cut the middleman and make selective quoting unviable.

                  About all Warren brings to any ticket is "Look! a vagina!!" Er, yeah, I can find that anywhere. Show me, as you say, something more relevant.

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          • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday November 19 2016, @02:43AM

            by Reziac (2489) on Saturday November 19 2016, @02:43AM (#429241) Homepage

            "By definition, right wing is the party of the elites and left wing is the party of the people."

            By whose definition??

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            • (Score: 2) by dry on Sunday November 20 2016, @04:03AM

              by dry (223) on Sunday November 20 2016, @04:03AM (#429789) Journal

              The inventors of the terms, back just before the French Revolution where it was based on where the different parties sat in the legislature. In most of the world it hasn't changed too much but it is simplistic. For example, in a poor country, the corrupt will ride to power by pretending to be for the people, see most left wing revolutions. Both sides also have problems with authoritarianism, which is a whole different issue then economics.

        • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday November 17 2016, @11:18PM

          by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Thursday November 17 2016, @11:18PM (#428479) Homepage Journal

          I worked in state government for almost three decades* and the feds are even more unwieldy that the state governments. Like Obama himself said, "Trump's going to find out that the federal government is an ocean liner, not a speedboat." There are regulations on the books written a century ago that no longer serve any purpose, but still never get changed.

          He's the president of the US, not the president of a corporation. It simply doesn't work like that, as Illinois' Governor Rauner has found out.

          *Two of the five governors I worked under went to prison. I retired before Rauner took office.

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    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:00PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:00PM (#427075) Journal

      All those things cost money. Guess who's NOT in charge of the budget.