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posted by CoolHand on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:04PM   Printer-friendly
from the better-jump-the-shark dept.

Your career is now a game of musical chairs: you need to be ready when the song stops

...

Although sixty years old, artificial intelligence remained mostly a curiosity until half a decade ago, when IBM's Watson trounced the world's best Jeopardy! players in a televised match. At the time, you might have thought nothing of that - what does a game show matter in the scheme of things?

It didn't stop there. IBM sent Watson to train with oncologists and lawyers and financial advisers. Quite suddenly, three very established professions, just the sort of thing you'd tell your kids to pursue as a ticket to prosperity, seemed a lot less certain of their futures in a world where intelligence, like computing before it, becomes pervasive, then commoditised.

These top-of-their-profession projects show that the driver to bring artificial intelligence into any field isn't the amount of labor, but rather the cost of that labor. A lawyer costs fifty times more per hour than a retail worker and so is that many times more likely to find themselves with an AI competitor.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by stretch611 on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:17PM

    by stretch611 (6199) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:17PM (#427086)

    Let the lawyers be the first ones to be replaceith AI. =)

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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by stretch611 on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:19PM

    by stretch611 (6199) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:19PM (#427088)

    after that, maybe AI can be used as proofreaders.

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    • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:46PM

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:46PM (#427104) Journal

      You're joking, but think how many editors and proofreaders have already been automated away by traditional, simple spellcheckers.

      • (Score: 2) by art guerrilla on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:12PM

        by art guerrilla (3082) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:12PM (#427118)

        and yet, i can go to just about any site and find typos, mispelled words, and wrongly used words all day, every day...
        not to mention, I CONSTANTLY find spel czech giving me the red squiggles on not-so-uncommon words ALL THE TIME... gotten to the point where i basically ignore spel czech because it is wrong so often...

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:38PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:38PM (#427172)

          I've seen quite a few of your posts, both here and on Techdirt. I'd say your spell checker has given up from constant abuse and spends its days in drunken stupor :)

          • (Score: 2) by art guerrilla on Wednesday November 16 2016, @12:24PM

            by art guerrilla (3082) on Wednesday November 16 2016, @12:24PM (#427481)

            funny, and yet my point remains...
            (again, i can write rings around most if i choose to go conventional... i do not so choose, writing correctly for ONLINE BULLSHIT (NOT a term paper for school, or an op/ed for a publication, is it ?) is boring, my writing is not... akin to saying that hanging out at the water cooler and not using complete sentences is somehow a failure of communication...)
            people just love them some gotchas, don't them ? ? ?

        • (Score: 2) by fubari on Tuesday November 15 2016, @09:12PM

          by fubari (4551) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @09:12PM (#427206)

          Still timely...

          I have a spelling checker,
          It came with my PC.
          It plane lee marks four my revue
          Miss steaks aye can knot sea.

          Eye ran this poem threw it,
          Your sure reel glad two no.
          Its vary polished in it's weigh.
          My checker tolled me sew.

          excerpt, full text here: Candidate for a Pullet Surprise [jir.com]

          • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Tuesday November 15 2016, @09:25PM

            by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @09:25PM (#427211) Journal

            While we're sharing old parodies, another timely one may be "Computers Don't Argue" [wikipedia.org] a 1965 story by Gordon Dickson. (You can read it online here [rainey.net].)

            If you've never encountered it, it's a story of how a guy who accidentally receives a book in the mail from some book club ends up charged with kidnapping and first-degree murder through a series of misinterpreted computer inputs. While improbable and outlandish, I can very easily imagine naive AI systems interacting to make similar errors.

            • (Score: 2) by fubari on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:45AM

              by fubari (4551) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:45AM (#431684)

              thanks, looking forward to reading :-)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:20PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:20PM (#427125)

        Well, if the automated lawyers are as good as the automated spell checkers … eye hope eye wheel never need two use one.

        • (Score: 2) by DECbot on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:24PM

          by DECbot (832) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:24PM (#427129) Journal

          s/need/kneed/g
          s/one/won/g

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        • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:25PM

          by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:25PM (#427132) Journal

          Oh, they'll be even better.

          //fix this later
          If(true)
          {
                Suggest("Take the plea deal");
          }
          else
          {
                  DefenseStrategy x=new DefenseStrategy(RetrieveEvidence());
          }

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:13PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:13PM (#427161)

          Google Maps still frequently gives bad directions on many intersections for years after corrections are repeatedly suggested and yet they're going to give us self-driving cars in just a few years?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2016, @12:22AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2016, @12:22AM (#427292)

            Don't knock Google. They may be the only place you can search for meatspace lawyers rather than their more charming AI brethren.

      • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Tuesday November 15 2016, @09:08PM

        by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @09:08PM (#427203) Journal

        You're joking, but think how many editors and proofreaders have already been automated away by traditional, simple spellcheckers.

        How many? Seriously. I want to know, because I doubt it was that many. Yes, copyediting and proofreadering jobs have been declining in recent years, but that seems more to do with the demand for instant content (particularly online) and a general acceptance of prose with less editing. And that shift accompanied the changes in technology that allow writers to put material out quickly to wide audiences directly (first in growth of self-publishing services in the 1990s and early 2000s, then in growth of blogs, internet news services and other online publications, etc.).

        Copyediting was never much about spellchecking, since any decent writer who wrote for a living 30+ years ago would have to know how to spell pretty darn well. If your copyeditor was spending lots of time just fixing your spelling errors, you probably would be fired from your job pretty quickly. Or, more likely, you'd never be hired -- or have manuscripts accepted or whatever -- in the first place. Copyeditors do a lot of stuff [wikipedia.org] that has to do with style, editing for clarity, accuracy, format, layout, inconsistencies, etc., as well as catching errors of grammar, punctuation, and yes spelling. And "proofreading" was definitely NEVER primarily about spell-checking, because traditionally "proofs" follow the more intensive copy-editing process, so few spelling errors should make it to that stage.

        I'm sure software spellcheckers helped out most in areas with more "amateur" writing, e.g., business folks having to prepare memos and internal company documents, which might have been spell-checked by a secretary back in the day. But anyplace who had enough funds to hire professional copyeditors and proofreaders probably also spent the money on professional writers in the first place -- and good writers knew how to spell.

        So, I really wonder about how many of these jobs were lost. I think the bigger transition happened with the move online and demand for instant content than with the rise of spellcheckers in Word or whatever.

        • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Tuesday November 15 2016, @09:13PM

          by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @09:13PM (#427207) Journal

          Also, I should be clear as someone who has published stuff that the quality of editing and proofreading even at traditionally fastidious publishing houses (e.g., prominent academic presses) has gone down significantly in the past decade or two. Yes, the multiple levels of in-house copyediting in many cases has been outsourced to one guy in India, but I'm not sure that's been driven by the rise in automated spellchecking. It seems publishers are just struggling and making more and more cuts these days, and editorial staff is one place to go.

      • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday November 15 2016, @10:18PM

        by nitehawk214 (1304) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @10:18PM (#427239)

        Which explains the increasingly shitty editing across all media.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:23PM

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:23PM (#427091) Journal

    Everyone else's lawyers, right? Mine's just a stand-up guy protecting my rights, said everyone who has ever used a lawyer.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:47PM

      by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:47PM (#427105)

      And all those people who contribute to a >90% reelection rate of a single-digit-approval congress...

  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:25PM

    by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:25PM (#427093) Journal

    sounds like something aristarchus (sp?) would say

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  • (Score: 2) by jelizondo on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:32PM

    by jelizondo (653) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 15 2016, @06:32PM (#427097) Journal

    Let’s see your AI argue your case and place itself on harm’s way defending you.

    It might be able to recite chapter and verse on the law and precedents, but could it have charisma and empathy enough to convince a jury? Could it yell at a judge to drive a point? Would it try to stop U.S. Marshalls [oregonlive.com] from taking you into custody?

    Dream on, you and I won't see the day when AI can stand on a courtroom except as, perhaps, an "expert witness" or advisor.

    • (Score: 1) by nobu_the_bard on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:04PM

      by nobu_the_bard (6373) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:04PM (#427116)

      Most law doesn't go to trial, it's done in mails and phone calls. AI could easily handle that stuff once it groks the higher concepts. Most of it isn't that complex anyway.

      Live lawyers could be contracted out just for the courtroom stuff until we have good AI-controlled automatons. Probably a ways off of that last one; would need ones that look convincing to a jury, not just "good enough" for lifting heavy stuff. I assume that won't happen at a significant scale until after people are used to AI for day-to-day stuff.

      I'm a huge Banks/Asimov fan though so mark me biased here.

      • (Score: 2) by butthurt on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:25PM

        by butthurt (6141) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @07:25PM (#427133) Journal

        Copyright holders are bombarding Google with Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) takedown notices, in an effort to remove millions of pirate links from the search results. In 2014, there were more than 1 million each day, totaling 345,169,134 for the year.

        -- https://searchenginewatch.com/sew/news/2388720/googles-dmca-notices-increase-exponentially-year-to-year [searchenginewatch.com]

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by tynin on Tuesday November 15 2016, @09:42PM

          by tynin (2013) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @09:42PM (#427217) Journal

          Not your fault, but I'm cringing at that math.

          More than 1 million a day? Doesn't almost a million a day sound just as good? Gah! Damn you sensationalism!

      • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Wednesday November 16 2016, @04:57AM

        by mhajicek (51) on Wednesday November 16 2016, @04:57AM (#427371)

        Most law work is research.

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        The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
    • (Score: 2) by bd on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:23PM

      by bd (2773) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:23PM (#427163)

      It will only have to convince robo-judge.

    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:29PM

      by VLM (445) on Tuesday November 15 2016, @08:29PM (#427165)

      A really good lawyer doesn't go to court.

      My Grandma's probate guy was bulletproof. My elderly uncle-in-law's power of attorney is a bulletproof form near letter.

      Kind of like people think sysadmins run around with their hair on fire, but the really good ones work their butts off on provisioning automation and then sit back and play minecraft or whatever basically the rest of the time.

      Now a criminal defense attorney, he's going to spend some time on getting the best possible plea, getting everything tossed out, and then when the AI is done what you really need is a good actor, Perry Mason style. He doesn't necessarily need a law degree as long as the AI is present in some kind of augmented reality or Alexa-ish format, just a featureless black cylinder, always listening.

  • (Score: 2) by linuxrocks123 on Wednesday November 16 2016, @12:29AM

    by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Wednesday November 16 2016, @12:29AM (#427293) Journal

    This is a dumb story. AI is and has forever been the most overhyped computer science subfield bar quantum computing.

    Watson won't replace any professions that Google hasn't already.

    • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Wednesday November 16 2016, @04:52AM

      by mhajicek (51) on Wednesday November 16 2016, @04:52AM (#427368)

      That's true until it isn't.

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      The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek