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on Thursday November 17 2016, @04:32PM
from the Duke-Nukem-Forever-of-operating-systems dept.
from the Duke-Nukem-Forever-of-operating-systems dept.
Debian has entered "Transition freeze".
Transition freeze ... means no new library transitions or package transitions that involve a large
number of packages.
Full freeze: Feb 5 2017.
As always, Debian 9 "Stretch" will be released "when it's ready".
Release Team Announcement
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Debian Has Entered "Transition Freeze" for Squeeze
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by NCommander on Thursday November 17 2016, @06:47PM
I've commented on Devuan on several other threads, but basically my experience with the dev team (which admitly was when they were first getting started) was that we're going to do it "our own way" and bit the head off those who tried to copy the Debian infrastructure. I've taken a look since then and it seems they're still using jenkins but have cleaned up a lot of other stuff they were doing. What they had to do to make it realistic was simply setup buildd and dak, import the archive, then track again stable and make new source packages where necessary. I've done this type of rebranding when I worked on Xubuntu and for custom engagements. Instead, by reventing the wheel, well, you get the above.
I am happy to see that Debian at least can be extracted from systemd, though who can tell how long that will actually stay working.
Still always moving
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Thursday November 17 2016, @07:05PM
I don't know whether I am being naive or not, but it is my thinking that things like Debian/KFreeBSD and Debian/Hurd are super-valuable because they don't/can't use systemd, but use pretty much the rest of Debian. This makes me think that Debian will be separable from systemd for at least as long as those projects last.
(Score: 3, Informative) by urza9814 on Thursday November 17 2016, @08:00PM
They've already tried to drop Debian/KFreeBSD:
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/10/07/2313245 [soylentnews.org]
And Debian/Hurd is not actually released yet, so that would be even easier to drop. It's just an experimental development branch right now.
Mainline Debian devs probably aren't going to do much to keep those projects alive...it's more about the maintainers of those projects being dedicated enough to keep them going *despite* what the rest of Debian is doing.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 17 2016, @09:35PM
And this is my surprised face:
(Score: 2) by NCommander on Friday November 18 2016, @10:52PM
Debian/Hurd is unlikely to ever reach release-criteria anytime soon. I was involved with that project in my college days (and I learned a lot about kernel engineering from it), but the fact of the matter is that GNU mach is very slow because its using Mach messaging to do microkernel stuff, and that messaging is exceptionally slow (300-400ms per context switch last I checked). There are also large scale performance issues dealing with blocksize and such in many of the translators combined with the system being relatively sluggish overall.
Debian/kFreeBSD on the other hand has a lot of nifty things going for it, but because they switched from BSD libc to glibc, and tried to make it as much like other debian ports, it breaks a lot of things that assumes its stock BSD. For instance, jails for a long time were broken because the userland couldn't handle glibc. I'd be willing to use it if it was closer to BSD with a Debian userland, not a bastardized Linux distro with a BSD kernel.
Still always moving
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 17 2016, @07:54PM
Their goal is to be independent of Debian in the future, while your suggestion is to basically become beholden to the Debian backend.
(Score: 2) by bart9h on Friday November 18 2016, @02:37PM
Well, I'm using Devuan since the first alpha on my desktop, and had zero problems so far.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2016, @06:06PM
it seems they're still using jenkins but have cleaned up a lot of other stuff they were doing
What have they cleaned up? When I took a look, nothing seems to have changed on the infrastructure side in the last year or so. Only rarely a package is updated (every few months according to the logs on ci.devuan.org [devuan.org]
To me it looks like development stopped, or very nearly stopped.