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posted by janrinok on Thursday November 17 2016, @07:33PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-is-your-vote-worth? dept.

Senator Boxer Introduces Bill to Eliminate Electoral College

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Senator-Boxer-to-Introduce-Bill-to-Eliminate-Electoral-College--401314945.html

"This is the only office in the land where you can get more votes and still lose the presidency," Boxer said in a statement. "The Electoral College is an outdated, undemocratic system that does not reflect our modern society, and it needs to change immediately. Every American should be guaranteed that their vote counts."

[...] "When all the ballots are counted, Hillary Clinton will have won the popular vote by a margin that could exceed two million votes, and she is on track to have received more votes than any other presidential candidate in history except Barack Obama," Boxer said.

Trump will be the fifth president in U.S. history to win the election despite losing the popular vote. George W. Bush won the most recent such election, in 2000.

Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3wLQz-LgrM


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Friday November 18 2016, @01:18AM

    by Arik (4543) on Friday November 18 2016, @01:18AM (#428543) Journal
    "Those principles are fairly reprehensible though. The 2016 Republican Party Platform reads like a white nationalist movement utterly filled with hate for the other half of America, immigrants, LQBTQ, liberals, Democrats, etc."

    You're going to need to back up that assertion with some quotes. Shouldn't be hard to do, if you weren't FULL OF SHIT>
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  • (Score: 2) by edIII on Friday November 18 2016, @01:38AM

    by edIII (791) on Friday November 18 2016, @01:38AM (#428551)

    Uh, huh.

    Yeah.... ummmm you caught me. The Republican Party is just filled with love for LGBTQ. It was my fault I didn't notice that before. All that hate for the Muslims? Rumor mongering. Nobody is interested in registries of people, or internment camps. That was just baseless rumors, just like the wall being built between us and Mexico. All that hiring of white nationalists to cabinet posts? Won't cause any issues with minorities right? Even still, that wouldn't be hate filled activities, but just making America ethno-pure again.

    Likewise, the Republican Party fully supports the EPA, and isn't interested in completely dismantling all environmental regulations that are hampering U.S businesses.

    If you need links, then you haven't been paying fucking attention to the Republican Party. I gave the only link you need, which was direct to the gop.com website. It says it all right there in the documentation. Care to read it? I did post it as citation.... either that or your full of fucking shit too.

    If you weren't, you could give citations against my assertions. I'll wait.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Friday November 18 2016, @01:45AM

      by Arik (4543) on Friday November 18 2016, @01:45AM (#428554) Journal
      "Likewise, the Republican Party fully supports the EPA"

      This is the level of bullshit you have fallen to. You talk about 'white nationalism' and practically invoke Godwin and what do you have? Anyone that doesn't support the EPA obviously hates the environment and all the people that have to live in it. It couldn't possibly be a legitimate political disagreement, no, anyone that disagrees with you is a fascist.

      Yeah, that shit has worked for way too long but it just backfired spectacularly and it may not be so reliable for you going forward.

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      • (Score: 2) by edIII on Friday November 18 2016, @02:12AM

        by edIII (791) on Friday November 18 2016, @02:12AM (#428564)

        I talk about white nationalists because that is what they are. I haven't invoked Godwin, you did :) Neither have I mentioned the word fascist, at all. Not in any one of these posts have I mentioned it.

        Anybody that doesn't support the EPA usually does believe that only God can affect the weather of Earth, and suffers quite heavily from being unable to see a position beyond that which is dictated by their paychecks. The junk science against it, is exactly that. There was an article about it recently which showed an interesting level of dissent in a particular field, and then when investigated, the dissent fell exactly along funding lines. Meaning, that the entire discussion is political AND corporate, and not scientific. Disagreement does not make one fascist, but acting in accordance with the definition and practice of fascism, does. I'm still not laying claims of fascism anywhere in these posts or against you, while you are doing it to yourself.

        What has worked so far, and backfired spectacularly, is the push back against environmental regulations and the science of Climate Change. There are at least 200 communities just like Flint, Michigan too. We live in a objectively ruined world from all of the toxins the EPA has been fighting against, on our behalf. I'm guessing that you don't believe the EPA about harmful algal blooms [epa.gov] do you? They're lying obviously....... except that we are now seeing it explode across the U.S.

        All you're doing is complaining as if I'm victimizing you by showing you truth. The truth hurts doesn't it? At least that is evidenced by your post.

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        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Arik on Friday November 18 2016, @02:49AM

          by Arik (4543) on Friday November 18 2016, @02:49AM (#428589) Journal
          "Anybody that doesn't support the EPA usually does believe that only God can affect the weather of Earth, and suffers quite heavily from being unable to see a position beyond that which is dictated by their paychecks."

          You need to find a way to step back and gain some self-awareness. That's an incredibly broad, sweeping, bigoted, and deeply offensive statement. And you feel free to hurl it around without feeling any need to even provide evidence for it. Nope, anyone that disagrees with you is a horrible horrible person and that's as far as you allow your thought to extend, isn't it?

          In fact I have read an enormous number of critiques of the EPA, I have written some myself, I have never once seen anyone seriously make the argument you attribute to us. Not once.

          "I'm still not laying claims of fascism anywhere in these posts or against you, while you are doing it to yourself."

          That's right you used the phrase 'white nationalist' instead. That's so offensive I unconsciously softened it to fascist, which is not quite as bad, but mea culpa, you said white nationalist, not fascist.

          "All you're doing is complaining as if I'm victimizing you by showing you truth. The truth hurts doesn't it? At least that is evidenced by your post."

          What you're doing is acting like an insufferable teenager who has just been enlightened as to the Truth about everything and thinks anyone that contradicts his beloved teacher in any way is Satan. You haven't provided any evidence at all, just an endless string off offensive assertions and a dripping disdain towards anyone who doesn't instantly apprehend the real Truth the way you have.

          I'm hoping you are actually a youngun, if so this phase may well pass.
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          • (Score: 1, Troll) by edIII on Friday November 18 2016, @03:11AM

            by edIII (791) on Friday November 18 2016, @03:11AM (#428603)

            Dude, the fucking evidence is overwhelming and substantial. You just disagree with the science, so please don't act like it doesn't exist.

            It's not a legitimate concern when the concern itself is derived from junk science known to be funded by those whose paycheck would suffer from the truth.

            Science IS the search for truth, and that is the difference between an insufferable teenager wildly throwing around accusations, and a person referencing the vast bodies of work performed by adults to ascertain the truth of our world.

            It is a MYTH that the science is in dispute, and the lines of the dispute fall perfectly upon the lines of funding. Strange coincidence huh?

            Whether or not you fucking like the term white nationalist, get fucking used to it. None of the rest of the world is confused about what types of people are now assuming power. They are hate filled white nationalists promulgating a platform of hate, bigotry, and fear. As if getting rid of all the minorities, Muslims, and Mexicans would make America Great Again.

            You know what would make America Great Again? If we actually fucking cared about doing anything for the American Worker.

            Sit back and relax though... we're going to find out exactly what these white nationalists do, which is distinctly different than fascism. On that note, I wholly disagree with you. White nationalism != Fascism.

            This isn't about supremacy of the state over the person. This is about racism and bigotry, and that is entirely derived from hate.

            Like I said, the truth clearly hurts.

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            • (Score: 1) by Arik on Friday November 18 2016, @03:21AM

              by Arik (4543) on Friday November 18 2016, @03:21AM (#428610) Journal
              "Dude, the fucking evidence is overwhelming and substantial. You just disagree with the science, so please don't act like it doesn't exist."

              What are you even talking about? Evidence for what? What science? Have you completely forgotten what we were talking about?
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            • (Score: 2) by fritsd on Friday November 18 2016, @09:38AM

              by fritsd (4586) on Friday November 18 2016, @09:38AM (#428760) Journal

              I find it helps, when thinking about fascism, to do the following little thought experiment:

              Imagine that you believe your world is spoiled by <hated_minority>

              Now imagine, that your fascist government has painlessly made all of them disappear in a cloud of smoke. Poof!

              What does your world look like, now? Is it suddenly a paradise? Or are there societeal problems that remain? (I.e. in Flint michigan with the lead in the water; in Detroit; at the Hanford site; at those Red States where people have lost the means to live).

              Those problems that remain, what are your Fascist Party's plans to do something about them? Would they work, if they were really implemented?

              Hint: lower taxes for the rich. um..