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A measure that would make Denver the first city in the United States to legalize the use of marijuana in such venues as clubs, bars and restaurants is expected to get enough votes to pass, backers and opponents of the initiative said on Tuesday.
The announcement comes amid a string of victories for proponents of medical and recreational marijuana use, with voters in California and Massachusetts approving ballot initiatives legalizing recreational use of the drug last week.
The Colorado measure will permit private businesses to allow marijuana use by adults in designated areas with certain exceptions. Backers of the initiative said it would make Denver the first city in the country where cannabis enthusiasts can enjoy the drug socially without fear of arrest.
"This is a victory for cannabis consumers who, like alcohol consumers, simply want the option to enjoy cannabis in social settings," Kayvan Khalatbari, a Denver businessman and lead proponent of the so-called I-300 measure, said in a statement on Tuesday.
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(Score: 0, Offtopic) by jmorris on Friday November 18 2016, @08:30PM
No, I ain't letting you get away with that one. This case already went to the SCOTUS, what you idiots declare they absolute unquestionable lawgivers and you lost. But somehow Federalism is a sacred thing to be protected when it allows YOU to ignore Federal law, ignore Supreme Court decisions, anything. It is neo-confederate nonsense when a Red State wants to opt out of a federal dictate. I say we should urge President Trump to send swarms to CO and arrest everyone involved and seize every asset. Same for the "Sanctuary Cities" opting out of Federal immigration laws.
Then, after six months or so, send emissaries to Congress and the Prog Media (i,.e. all of it that Facebook and Google hasn't declared "Fake News" by then...) and offer to open an honest debate on Federalism, how much Federal power to devolve back to the States. You would like the FDA and DEA powers sent down to the States. Well we have a few ideas of powers to devolve too. Lets have the discussion and work something out. Lets make a deal, what are you willing to give up to get your dope? But you win, we lose, regardless, should not be an option anymore.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday November 18 2016, @08:46PM
Ah, ok, calm down. I figured you were going hard authoritarianism. I think enforcing the 10th Amendment properly would be a good change. Since this isn't interstate commerce, the Controlled Substances Act should be struck down for violating the 10th Amendment.
Sanctuary cities? Sure, have at them. Now, I don't have enough time to go full constitutional lawyer here, (nor do I understand the basis for sanctuary cities) but remember that despite federalism, the 14 Amendment does still apply the 4th to citizens of the Several States. So you can't exactly go door to door asking for “papers, please.”
What else did you have in mind?
Now, talking about President Trump, heh. Oh, haha! What if he said that sending federal troops to CO was bad business, sort of like he said that the bathroom law in NC was bad business? I don't think Trump is who you wish him to be, but we'll see!
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by jmorris on Friday November 18 2016, @09:14PM
Exactly. I'm saying my team on the Right should take an absolutist position as an opening position in the negotiations. And that sort of no holds barred negotiating does seem to be something Mr. Trump understands. Only by making the left tremble in terror of what the Federal Government, that they were so proud of as they twisted it into a monster, could do to THEM is there any hope of convincing them of the need to unmake it. So long as it only get unleashed upon people they consider subhuman they don't see the problem, and won't until it is far too late. But it is a truism that monsters always destroy their creator eventually.
And yea, in a sane world the 10th Amendment should have not only prevented the Controlled Substances Act, it should have prevented the DEA and FDA from existing at all. For that reason and many more, I now accept that the Constitution is dead. You guys murdered it long ago. Like you guys, I will still invoke it in an argument when it is useful, but am under no delusion that it is still binding on anyone. The only hope to restore something like the Rule of Law again is to accept the fact of its death, accept that there is now no limit on Federal power but the will to use it, and muster the will (against every instinct that we on the Right have) to use it to abuse the holy hell out of you guys with the weapon you made until you too want to chain the government.
Is this likely to end badly? Yes. History records no cases of survival in a situation as bad as the one we find ourselves in. But maybe it is different in ${currentyear}. We better hope so.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday November 18 2016, @09:40PM
I don't know who you think I am. I'm a card-carrying member of the Libertarian party. The Constitution was dead when I got here, bro, had been for a while.
Of course I'm used to the fact that being LGBTOMGWTFBBQ and a cannabis consumer puts me squarely NOT on your side.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2016, @10:23PM
... and muster the will (against every instinct that we on the Right have) to use it to abuse the holy hell out of you guys
Sure buddy, the Right hasn't been joyfully suppressing others for a long time, yup uh huh. You will relish the opportunity and bask in the self-righteous "justice" you hand out. I have met VERY few Christians that even seriously attempt to follow Jesus, and a majority of the things you folks on the "right" want is all about suppressing the freedoms of others. The only moral ground you possibly have is with abortion, since most people agree that killing a life is bad, but then you drop that moral high ground and let the poor suffer because "they have the same opportunities to better themselves" by bootstrapping upwards. For a majority of US citizens you and your fellow conservatives are authoritarian extremists brainwashed by bible thumping priests and politicians to do their bidding.
As for the 10th amendment, I generally agree with you about Federal overreach and would prefer states determine certain things for themselves. However, there is a key component you seem to be neglecting:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
"or to the people" is a big caveat in there, my interpretation (IANAL) is that a general vote could delegate such powers to the Fed. So Civil Rights, that is one that must be federal, any states that want to violate a person's civil rights can piss off. I would totally welcome a strict 10th interpretation, assuming a popular vote could decide contentious issues.
Also, a quick search showed the rationale the judges used and while tenuous the decision was still based on the constitution:
The Supreme Court ruled that a woman’s choice to have an abortion fell within constitutional privacy rights. While there is no explicit grant of privacy rights, the Court has found a guarantee of personal privacy rooted in several parts of the US Constitution. Personal privacy exists in the areas of marriage, contraception, family relationships and child rearing. The Fourteenth Amendment bars a state from depriving a person of liberty without due process of law. This includes protecting the fundamental right to privacy.
Now, we can argue about how much "right to privacy" covers, but Roe v. Wade was based on the constitution and that decision was made by people way more competent than you or I.
You want to be a moral upstanding person? Go help out some teen mothers, offer to adopt their babies, help fun planned parenthood so people have access to safe contraception and testing. But no, you'll just be self righteous and try to bring the boots down on all the "sinners".
So long as it only get unleashed upon people they consider subhuman they don't see the problem
Actually, conservatives are long known to be the ones treating others as sub-human, we liberals have been the ones fighting for equality. But hey, don't let the hypocrisy hit you in the brain stem on the way out. Please, explain how "your people" have been subjugated by the liberals, what sub-human atrocities have you been forced to endure?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2016, @08:48PM
I say we should urge President Trump to send swarms to CO and arrest everyone involved and seize every asset.
I say that gun owners should defend themselves from those thugs.