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posted by janrinok on Saturday November 19 2016, @04:12PM   Printer-friendly
from the statistics-or-lies? dept.

Scott Alexander gives a great breakdown of Trump and how the portrayal of him as being "openly white supremacist" is probably (likely) wrong.

I stick to my thesis from October 2015. There is no evidence that Donald Trump is more racist than any past Republican candidate (or any other 70 year old white guy, for that matter). All this stuff about how he's "the candidate of the KKK" and "the vanguard of a new white supremacist movement" is made up. It's a catastrophic distraction from the dozens of other undeniable problems with Trump that could have convinced voters to abandon him. That it came to dominate the election cycle should be considered a horrifying indictment of our political discourse, in the same way that it would be a horrifying indictment of our political discourse if the entire Republican campaign had been based around the theory that Hillary Clinton was a secret Satanist. Yes, calling Romney a racist was crying wolf. But you are still crying wolf.

I avoided pushing this point any more since last October because I didn't want to look like I was supporting Trump, or accidentally convince anyone else to support Trump. But since we're past the point where that matters any more, I want to present my case.

He further states: "I realize that all of this is going to make me sound like a crazy person and put me completely at odds with every respectable thinker in the media, but luckily, being a crazy person at odds with every respectable thinker in the media has been a pretty good ticket to predictive accuracy lately, so whatever."

So do his claims hold up under scrutiny, is he manipulating the figures, or is he just a 'crazy person' ?


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday November 19 2016, @04:56PM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday November 19 2016, @04:56PM (#429457) Homepage Journal

    Trump had/has racist views.

    which is a FACT if you only look at what he says

    The author provided a hell of a lot of evidence to back up his position. You have not. I am thus disinclined to give your statements credence.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2016, @06:18PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2016, @06:18PM (#429507)

    And we're disinclined to accept your defense that you're not prejudiced. Your arguments in this thread so far are just vague sidesteps.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday November 19 2016, @06:31PM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday November 19 2016, @06:31PM (#429523) Homepage Journal

      You seem to be arguing as if I am defending Trump. I am not. I am poking holes in faulty arguments. Thus you are either attempting to construct a strawman or you are simply mistaken. I'll be generous and assume the latter.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2016, @07:57PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2016, @07:57PM (#429578)

        Nope it wasn't about defending trump, you are defending against accusations of "racist" in a more general sense not just specifically trump. I made it pretty clear, you have obviously prejudiced views to the point where I do wonder if you're racist. Personally I think its more likely you're just a white guy who is not comfortable around other cultures and has internalized some fear mongering propaganda about Muslims. But that is ME being generous. Nice try with your own strawman.