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posted by janrinok on Saturday November 19 2016, @04:12PM   Printer-friendly
from the statistics-or-lies? dept.

Scott Alexander gives a great breakdown of Trump and how the portrayal of him as being "openly white supremacist" is probably (likely) wrong.

I stick to my thesis from October 2015. There is no evidence that Donald Trump is more racist than any past Republican candidate (or any other 70 year old white guy, for that matter). All this stuff about how he's "the candidate of the KKK" and "the vanguard of a new white supremacist movement" is made up. It's a catastrophic distraction from the dozens of other undeniable problems with Trump that could have convinced voters to abandon him. That it came to dominate the election cycle should be considered a horrifying indictment of our political discourse, in the same way that it would be a horrifying indictment of our political discourse if the entire Republican campaign had been based around the theory that Hillary Clinton was a secret Satanist. Yes, calling Romney a racist was crying wolf. But you are still crying wolf.

I avoided pushing this point any more since last October because I didn't want to look like I was supporting Trump, or accidentally convince anyone else to support Trump. But since we're past the point where that matters any more, I want to present my case.

He further states: "I realize that all of this is going to make me sound like a crazy person and put me completely at odds with every respectable thinker in the media, but luckily, being a crazy person at odds with every respectable thinker in the media has been a pretty good ticket to predictive accuracy lately, so whatever."

So do his claims hold up under scrutiny, is he manipulating the figures, or is he just a 'crazy person' ?


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Whoever on Saturday November 19 2016, @05:35PM

    by Whoever (4524) on Saturday November 19 2016, @05:35PM (#429483) Journal

    The article includes this:

    When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

    Note how totally non-racist this statement is. I’m serious. It’s anti-illegal-immigrant.

    Please, would someone tell me where in that quote Trump refers to illegal immigrants? The author has simply imagined it in some weak attempt to show that what is obviously racist is not racist. Combined with Trump's statements on the judge in the Trump University case, Trump has clearly demonstrated outright racism in relation to Mexicans.

    The author goes on to attempt some kind of moral equivalency with statements by Bill Clinton and John McCain, both of which are explicit about illegal immigrants, but in any case, more equivalency does not remove the racism from Trump's statement.

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday November 19 2016, @06:45PM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday November 19 2016, @06:45PM (#429535) Homepage Journal

    You're being willfully blind. Stop that.

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    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Saturday November 19 2016, @08:04PM

      by Whoever (4524) on Saturday November 19 2016, @08:04PM (#429582) Journal

      LOL.

      That's that the article author is doing.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2016, @08:31PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2016, @08:31PM (#429603)

    Many things are "obvious" and false. The Earth is not flat just because that matches your subjective observations of it.

    Combined with Trump's statements on the judge in the Trump University case

    Bullshit for a number of reasons, most egregious of which is is the faulty assumption that increasing the volume of circumstantial evidence is definite proof.