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posted by on Tuesday November 22 2016, @09:31PM   Printer-friendly
from the we're-going-back-to-bartering dept.

Donald Trump says he will issue an executive action on his first day in office to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

In a video updating Americans on the White House transition, the President-elect described TPP as a "potential disaster for our country".

[...] Mr Trump said his administration instead intends to generate "fair, bilateral trade deals that bring jobs and industry back onto American shores".

Sky Correspondent Greg Milam said: "Donald Trump has been very critical of what trade deals have done for American workers and the damage that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) did in the 1990s - particularly to low-income workers in the Midwest, who it turns out voted for Mr Trump in huge numbers."

Source: Sky News


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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by LoRdTAW on Tuesday November 22 2016, @11:26PM

    by LoRdTAW (3755) on Tuesday November 22 2016, @11:26PM (#431560) Journal

    (... Do you remember how Obama was definitely going to close Gitmo?)

    Go do a little search on why Obama hasn't closed gitmo yet. It's not for lack of trying. There are plenty of people in the pentagon and congress who didn't like the idea and sandbagged where ever possible.

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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by krishnoid on Wednesday November 23 2016, @12:26AM

    by krishnoid (1156) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @12:26AM (#431583)

    Thank goodness Trump was elected -- he'll just get things done. He'll ignore everyone's input, then sign an executive order to close the Guantanamo Bay detention site, and order the prisoners returned to their respective countries of origin. As a result, he'll win the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Why, yes I would like another glass of wine, thank you. Best Thanksgiving ever!

    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday November 23 2016, @09:54PM

      by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @09:54PM (#432149) Journal

      Yeah, Obama wins the peace prize just by showing up a different color than the rugs: Trump should win just because... his HAIR! I mean..... his HAIR!!! IT IS NICER THAN HILLARY'S! :)

      --
      --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @01:10AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @01:10AM (#432224)

        LOL XD

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by hemocyanin on Wednesday November 23 2016, @03:03AM

    by hemocyanin (186) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @03:03AM (#431632) Journal

    It depends on what you mean by "close". Politicians have this knack of using words that imply something, like "ending the practice of due process free detention" to make people feel warm and fuzzy, while meaning something totally different, like "closing down Gitmo and moving the PRACTICE of due process free detention to Illinois." The latter is what Obama wanted to do. Slimy.

    There is, I suppose, symbolic value in closing Guantanamo. But what made Guantanamo such an affront to basic liberty and the rule of law was far more than symbolism, and it certainly had nothing to do with its locale. If anything, one could argue that it’s now more dangerous to have within the U.S., on U.S. soil, a facility explicitly devoted to imprisoning people without charges.

    http://www.salon.com/2009/12/15/gitmo_3/ [salon.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:56PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:56PM (#431914)

      It depends on what you mean by "close". Politicians have this knack of using words that imply something, like "ending the practice of due process free detention" to make people feel warm and fuzzy, while meaning something totally different, like "closing down Gitmo and moving the PRACTICE of due process free detention to Illinois." The latter is what Obama wanted to do. Slimy.

      In other words, "close Gitmo" meant... closing Gitmo? Color me shocked.

      He didn't say he wanted to end the practice, just close the practice of using Guantanamo Bay that way.

      I'd also argue that if it were to move to the continental US, that would be a substantial step in the right direction. One of the arguments the Bush administration used frequently was that Gitmo was not subject to constitutional provisions due to it not being on US territory (or something like that... it was weird double-talk). If it were on 100% uncontested US soil, that argument would not longer apply.

      Also, in terms of soft-power, it would be a major step forward. There would be much more visibility in the practices going on there (even if it were done illegally by news organizations and vigilantes), and there would also much more attention (as the local neighbors would have opinions and potentially raise a ruckus with news and politicians, if nothing else).

  • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Wednesday November 23 2016, @03:06AM

    by Mykl (1112) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @03:06AM (#431635)

    My concern exactly. How many people will slither out in the next 2 months and tell Trump that it's just too hard to pull out of the TPP because reasons? Fortunately, it will be hard for the special interest groups to get their way by sandbagging, as it's them that need things to keep moving.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @09:52AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @09:52AM (#431771)

    Go do a little search on why Obama hasn't closed gitmo yet. It's not for lack of trying. There are plenty of people in the pentagon and congress who didn't like the idea and sandbagged where ever possible.

    Pentagon? He should have had a stern talk with the Commander in Chief about that problem.

  • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Monday November 28 2016, @11:16PM

    by urza9814 (3954) on Monday November 28 2016, @11:16PM (#434273) Journal

    Go do a little search on why Obama hasn't closed gitmo yet. It's not for lack of trying. There are plenty of people in the pentagon and congress who didn't like the idea and sandbagged where ever possible.

    They may not *like* the idea, but he doesn't actually need their approval:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-president-doesnt-need-congresss-permission-to-close-guantanamo/2015/11/06/4cc9d2ac-83f5-11e5-a7ca-6ab6ec20f839_story.html [washingtonpost.com]

    Of course, it's possible if he tried he'd end up in court. So did the ACA, but that didn't stop him there. When the White House counsel (the author of the above article) is saying he's fully authorized to do it alone, and he chooses not to, it's hard to say he had any real determination to the idea. At best you could say he was considering shutting it down but only if nobody raised any objections. And as soon as they did, he backed off.