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posted by janrinok on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:35AM   Printer-friendly
from the perhaps-men-don't-like-losing-to-a-woman dept.

On Monday the e-sports industry awards take place in London to applaud the top players in the business but not one female player has been nominated.

Competitive gaming, also known as Electronic Sports or e-sports, is growing at an incredible pace. In 2016, revenues from e-sports are predicted by professional services firm Deloitte to rise by 25% to $500m (£406m). Its regular global audience will likely top 150 million people.

Unlike in traditional sport, physical advantages in e-sports are non-existent yet the most popular games are still overwhelmingly played by men.

Recent research by the Pew Center shows men and women are equally likely to say they play video games but men are twice as likely to consider themselves "gamers". It is when gaming becomes competitive that the number of women playing drops dramatically.

Steph Harvey is one of the most successful gamers in the world. She says that the number of women in e-sports is as low as 5% and the main reason is the stereotype attached to gamers. "It's still a 'boy's club' so as a woman you're automatically judged for being different," she says.

Online abuse has been prevalent in the gaming community for years and even led to a misogynistic hate campaign.

Steph has even received online rape threats in the past: "The way I get harassed is about what they would do to my body, about why I don't deserve to be there because I use my sexuality - it's all extremely graphic."

[...] Julia Kiran is the leader of Team Secret, which in October became the top female team in the world. She thinks this reflects a common attitude: "It's always felt that female teams are not a real scene. Male players see us as a side game that doesn't count."

One of the solutions has been the creation of female teams and female-only tournaments.


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  • (Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @07:30AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @07:30AM (#431731)

    Transsexuals are not actually female...

    Oh, really? How did you find out? Could it be, perhaps, that the failure was on your part?

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @08:41AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @08:41AM (#431752)

    Look, Pal - this "dumbing down of America" has gone far enough. Transexuals aren't female. It's that simple. If you insist on being retarded, go right ahead, but you aren't convincing anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size.

    • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Wednesday November 23 2016, @02:23PM

      by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @02:23PM (#431824) Journal

      You're absolutely right. That must be why men keep telling me I'm in the wrong restroom when I use the men's room. But like hell I'm going to use the women's room! That's asking for a rape accusation.

      All you have to do is read what feminism has to offer on the subject and you can see clear as day that women consider people assigned the male gender at birth that are unhappy enough with that to get a woman suit to be rapist invaders. Women THEMSELVES do not want us to exist and certainly don't want us getting their female privileges.

      And advanced infiltrator-class woman suits like mine scare the fucking bejeezus out of women. I could waltz right into the women's room and nobody would be able to figure out I was there to rape little girls. In fact, I'm such of an advanced infiltrator I can even brainwash little girls so that they completely forget being raped and there's no physical evidence of the matter left behind. That's why you can't find evidence that I'm up to it.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:38PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:38PM (#431903)

        Why do you put yourself through this kind of horror? You cannot possibly be happier...

        The world is very easy to hate, and I think feeling that hatred gets your rocks off.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by mcgrew on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:16PM

        by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:16PM (#431937) Homepage Journal

        Gender isn't assigned or decided. If you have no Y chromosome, you're female. A very small number of people have an extra X or Y chromosome, I'm not sure about them. But anyone with an X and a Y is male, anyone with two Xes is female. If you have an X and a Y and think you're female, that doesn't make you female any more than the schizophrenic who thinks he's Napoleon really is Napoleon.

        As to which rest room a transexual should use, that's an entirely different question. I certainly wouldn't want a woman who thinks she's a man using the same rest room as my (grown) daughters.

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        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday November 23 2016, @08:43PM

          by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @08:43PM (#432082) Journal

          Dog, it used to be sooooo easy:
          1. Balls and dick: male
          2. No balls but a dick: eunich (or Andy Dick)
          3. No balls, no dick: female

          Now, it's all whoa, dude, i'm a female male with male and female body parts and if you go to look at porn on the internet, you have to be careful cause you might be looking at females with dicks or the like and.....

          It used to be sooooo easy to look at porn on the net. 8}

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @09:39PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @09:39PM (#432138)

      Seriously, acting like all transsexuals are one gender (either biological or identity) is showing your own prejudice.

      I say this as someone without a horse in this race. I'm not, none of my friends are, and I find a lot of the current SJW circle jerking stupid.

      That said: figuring out which gender they should compete under is a big more complicated than your statements would lead others to believe.

      Personally I think it is time for unisex bathrooms and gender neutral competition with no restrictions on doping. That solves this entire pissing contest and hey if somebody is gonna rape you in a bathroom, shiv them, male or female. Unless y'know you're into rape play. Seems to be pretty common in online personals nowadays.

  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @08:58AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @08:58AM (#431757)

    No, the failure is on your education. Male and female are specific terms referring to the biological sex. Trans-women have the XY chromosomes and are therefore male.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Kell on Wednesday November 23 2016, @10:26AM

      by Kell (292) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @10:26AM (#431778)

      It's actually more complex than that, if you look at the science. There are 14 markers for biological sex, and XY/XX chromosones are but one. Some kids are born with other chromosonal types (XXY and such), and others are born with intermediate genitalia that are not clearly either male or female. So if you take someone with androgen insensitivity who has XY but developed otherwise entirely as a female - are they male? What about more complex things like chimerism, where a person may have both XY and XX cells in their body. Actually, sex and gender are very complex once you get away from the whole "boys or girls!" false dualism. Attempts to enforce it with labels ignores the science and is, at its core, disingenuous.

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by r1348 on Wednesday November 23 2016, @11:12AM

        by r1348 (5988) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @11:12AM (#431782)

        What you describe are various degrees of genetic hermaphroditism, or intersex, that occur naturally, although rarely. Transexuals do not occur naturally. It's individuals that transition from one sex to another through surgery and/or hormonal therapy because their perceived gender mismatches with their biological one.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday November 23 2016, @12:57PM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday November 23 2016, @12:57PM (#431799) Homepage Journal

        Sorry, no. There are two genders determined by XX or XY chromosomes. If you don't fall into either, you're an unfortunate aberration. It doesn't make you a bad person but it most certainly does make you fall into the Abnormal category. The same as being an albino or having an IQ over 150 does.

        You're trying to normalize weirdness but it's never going to happen.

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        • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday November 23 2016, @02:11PM

          by bzipitidoo (4388) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @02:11PM (#431816) Journal

          Aberration? Abnormal? You're too free with those terms. Save them for the clearly bad mutations such as Down Syndrome and albinism. IQ over 150? How could you call high IQ an aberration? XXY chromosomes is abnormal, but we know now that homosexuality is normal, if uncommon. It definitely isn't "unnatural" as homophobes asserted. About 5% of mammals are homosexual. Why is still something of a puzzle. Seems too high a percentage to dismiss as a mere mistake. If homosexuality is such a bad thing for survival of a species, why hasn't evolution eliminated it entirely? Perhaps it is beneficial to the species as a whole to have a few members who aren't in the endless heterosexual mating war. Maybe they help foster co-operation. A heterosexual guy can feel pretty sure and safe that a homosexual guy is not going to try to cheat with his mate.

          Ants are a good example of animals with radically different sexual roles than most mammals. Most ants are sterile workers.

          • (Score: 4, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday November 23 2016, @03:50PM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday November 23 2016, @03:50PM (#431866) Homepage Journal

            You need to look up the definitions of those words you're so unwilling to accept. They are absolutely accurate, and not pejorative unless you're trying to speak falsehood into truth.

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            • (Score: 4, Funny) by tangomargarine on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:05PM

              by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:05PM (#431876)

              Damn ivory-tower assholes and their insistence that words have set meanings /s

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          • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:26PM

            by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:26PM (#431944) Homepage Journal

            Ant trait affecting fewer than 2% of the population is an aberration. Yes, geniuses are freaks (I'm on the cusp and I'm certainly not normal).

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            • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday November 23 2016, @11:44PM

              by bzipitidoo (4388) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @11:44PM (#432207) Journal

              Normal, but not average. Geniuses are normal, just part of the range of possible intelligence, if at one of the extremes. What they are not is average.

              Height also varies considerably, and the extremes are populated with those afflicted with some condition such as acromegaly or dwarfism. Unlike extreme height, I have not heard of any abnormal condition that changes a person of average intelligence into a genius. There are plenty of ways to lower intelligence, such as lead poisoning, malnutrition, deliberately spurning education, and even psychological effects from believing it when everyone tells you that you are stupid.

              • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday November 25 2016, @02:01AM

                by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Friday November 25 2016, @02:01AM (#432696) Homepage Journal

                Not average, median. 100 is the median; I don't know what the mean is, but in this case the mean is meaningless. But if you're in the top 2% smartest, shortest, tallest, or dumbest, you're a freak.

                That word should not have such negative connotations but I can't think of one that fits better.

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      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:01PM

        by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:01PM (#431873)

        Actually, sex and gender are very complex once you get away from the whole "boys or girls!" false dualism.

        According to Blackless, Fausto-Sterling et al., 1.7 percent of human births are intersex,

        Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

        For a "false dualism" it sounds pretty damn accurate to me. Only 98.3% accurate; better chuck the whole thing out the window and start from scratch.

        Gender can be complex. Sounds like biological sex really isn't, the vast majority of the time. Just put the 1.7% under "Other" and ask them how they want to be categorized?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:10PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:10PM (#431881)

        No, it isn't. Male=XY, Female=XX. It is permissible to omit the chromosome configuration in such instances. This is not the subject of opinion but a fact about the common conventions in biological science. It works just like omitting the + sign in front of positive numbers in math.

        thers are born with intermediate genitalia that are not clearly either male or female

        And some people are missing parts of their reproductive systems because they were surgically removed for health reasons. You don't stop being your sex if your balls/ovaries are removed for whatever reason.

        What about more complex things like chimerism, where a person may have both XY and XX cells in their body.

        They are not male or female. XXY-male is not the same thing as male.

      • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:23PM

        by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:23PM (#431943) Homepage Journal

        Some kids are born with other chromosonal types (XXY and such), and others are born with intermediate genitalia that are not clearly either male or female.

        And it's an incredibly tiny number of people. It's akin to the guy in South America who has twelve fingers; nature fucked up.

        As to chimerism, that's an artificial construct; there are no natural chimeras. Transplanting a heart with an X an Y into a woman doesn't make her a man any more than surgery and hormones do. Your "false dualism" only holds true to the one in a billion XXY XXX XYY freaks.

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