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Supporters of a plan for California to secede from the union took their first formal step Monday morning, submitting a proposed ballot measure to the state attorney general's office in the hopes of a statewide vote as soon as 2018.
Marcus Ruiz Evans, the vice president and co-founder of Yes California, said his group had been planning to wait for a later election, but the presidential election of Donald Trump sped up the timeline.
"We're doing it now because of all of the overwhelming attention," Evans said.
The Yes California group has been around for more than two years, Evans said. It is based around California taxpayers paying more money to the federal government than the state receives in spending, that Californians are culturally different from the rest of the country, and that national media and organizations routinely criticize Californians for being out of step with the rest of the U.S.
Could California go it alone?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @07:01PM
My friend, we're all in for you to leave.
Hell, if you need to compromise something, we can accept NorCal and fold it into Eastern Oregon or something. We'll be flexible. No reason to be mean-spirited - we can make this work! It'll be the most amicable of divorces.
However, your last two points are a little weird.
1. To my certain knowledge, Californians have been pouring into Texas, Oregon, Colorado and Washington. So much so that it's a pain in the ass.
2. Actually, the direction of the youth shifting politics is far from monotonic. GenX shifted things broadly left, but millenials have slowed that trend and in many parts turned on the Democrats (apparently after years and years of failure to deliver promised change).
But yeah! Let's redraw the map! Go, CalFree!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @07:37PM
The Democrats are just a political party and have shifted into authoritarian type policies. I'm talking about cultural changes, and overwhelmingly millenials are pro freedoms for everyone and are leaving their religious communities in droves. Partisan politics is NOT what I'm talking about.
California has become too expensive for many, one of the downsides to economic prosperity. People aren't fleeing the culture, they're looming for a place they can afford to buy a house. Most of the people I see leaving are heading to the more liberal bastions in other states.
Also, don't kid yourself, you are in the minority and have simply surrounded yourself with an echo chamber.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @07:59PM
Hey, I'm pro freedom as well. No problems with that. In fact, I think that they should legalise plural marriages both male and female. Better yet, take marriage as a concept right out of the hands of government. Leave it to churches. Let government just track domestic partnerships.
Want a sex change? Don't care. Not my thing, but you're welcome to it. Want to do dope? Coke? Smack? Don't care, by all means legalise them all, just have treatment for addicts.
The problem is that the democrats have become increasingly dictatorial and intolerant, and I think that millenials may have been put off by that - but also manifestly this has broken any kind of monotonic shift in the direction of progressivism. Liberality, yes, but not progressivism. And I have no problem with that.
As for people being economic fugitives from California - that in no way contradicts the idea that while California may attract people, it also repels them to the point that is provided more emigrants in some recent years than it received immigrants from other states.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @08:34PM
Well, magically we find that we have common ground and that the politicians are the true source of a lot of our gripes. I'm quite on the liberal side of the spectrum and I fully agree with your points except for the fugitives bit. I'm sure some of them are more conservative minded people looking for a more welcoming community, but I still put my money on it being about economics. I've considered moving myself just so I could afford a home!
We need to change the tone of our conversations here, if the argument is over political policies then we should discuss those things. Please note that the modern Democrat party is no longer liberal or progressive (as those terms have historically been used) and you are 100% correct about them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @02:55AM
> Californians have been pouring into Texas, Oregon, Colorado and Washington. So much so that it's a pain in the ass.
A couple of years ago I met a sharp, middle-aged doctor who had just moved to Buffalo, NY from Southern California. One major reason for his move was that the health care system in CA was dysfunctional (his words). His job satisfaction out west was very low--always fighting the system so that he could actually deliver some care to his patients.
And we've got plenty of water too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @10:49PM
I hear that some it is even in liquid form.
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