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posted by martyb on Friday November 25 2016, @03:52PM   Printer-friendly
from the we're-not-really-watching-you... dept.

Microsoft is now selling third-parties access to its Windows 10 telemetry data via subscription.

Microsoft struck a deal with security company FireEye recently according to a report on Australian news magazin[e] Arn [sic] which gives FireEye access to all Windows 10 Telemetry data.

The report states that FireEye in return will provide Microsoft with the company's iSIGHT Intelligence software for Windows Defender Advanced Threat Protection on Windows 10 devices.

[...] Windows Defender is built-in to Windows 10 and enabled by default unless other security software is recognized by the operating system.

[...] The news article suggests that the partnership benefits Microsoft, and specifically the reputation and credibility of the commercial version of Windows Defender.

A press release by FireEye on November 3, 2016 provides additional details on the deal. The company's iSIGHT Intelligence software is available through Windows Defender Advanced Threat Protection (WDATP) but not the free version of Windows Defender.

WDATP customers gain access to several technical indicators that are provided by the software. These include the main motivation of the attacker, related tools, information about target sectors and geographies, and a description of the actor and operation.

According to the report on ARN, security teams may also get their hands on Windows 10 Telemetry data via subscription billing models.

Third-parties will get access to telemetry data of all Windows 10 devices. An overview of what that may include is provided on this Technet page.

Neither FireEye, Microsoft or ARN reveal details on the range of Telemetry data that FireEye gains access to.


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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by chewbacon on Friday November 25 2016, @04:47PM

    by chewbacon (1032) on Friday November 25 2016, @04:47PM (#432895)

    Microsoft said: And what are YOU gonna do about it? Switch to Mac? Linux? Hahahahahahaha!

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @04:53PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @04:53PM (#432898)

    Yes

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @05:45PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @05:45PM (#432915)

      Did this years ago, except the gaming rig. The only telemetry Microshit gets from me is from Steam Big Picture mode. Linux PCs for everything else, and even all the tracker and file history crap is disabled on those.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday November 25 2016, @05:16PM

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday November 25 2016, @05:16PM (#432903) Journal

    And Hazuki said to MS: "Yeah, I am. Welcome to 2004. That penguin isn't waving; it's flipping you the bird. So to speak."

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Francis on Friday November 25 2016, @05:29PM

    by Francis (5544) on Friday November 25 2016, @05:29PM (#432909)

    And thanks to MS' own shenanigans with their software store, they managed to scare Steam into porting over to Linux and creating their own Linux Distro.

    It's not going to be much longer that there's going to be any real advantage in running Windows over other options as games and a few niche hardware devices were the main things that keep people from making the switch. And hardware gets old and has to be replaced, same goes for most software.

    • (Score: 2) by Webweasel on Friday November 25 2016, @10:33PM

      by Webweasel (567) on Friday November 25 2016, @10:33PM (#433021) Homepage Journal

      I hope this is true, the ONLY reason I stay on windows in my home is that I'm a gamer.

      I touch linux on and off over the years, as well as BSD and other os's (AIX at work) but linux always hits a "something don't work like it should" barrier for me. Work is a mostly windows environment.

      But the PHB told me I gotta learn puppet n chef n shit like that, so all aboard woo woo.... eh......

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 25 2016, @06:12PM

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday November 25 2016, @06:12PM (#432934) Homepage

    Mac sucks ass.

    Linux now sucks ass too. In the early Ubuntu era Linux was great, it was a viable alternative for all daily-use applications and struck a good Windows-like balance between ease-of-use and usefulness. Now, it sucks shit. The window-managers are all dumbed-down worthless shit, except for KDE, which is just an autistic mess. It's a regression back to the days where if you wanted to do anything useful, then you had to use the terminal for everything and/or spend inordinate amounts of time gutting and rearranging your system just to get it workable.

    I am guessing this is due to two major problems - The first is embracing the mobile paradigm on the desktop, which is a fucking pants-on-head retarded idea. The second is work for work's own sake, aka Firefox syndrome, aka "For this next release, I'll move this button from the bottom to the top, and the other one from the right to the left, because I am busy after all!" This does nothing but piss off its dedicated users. I'm running Debian Jessie and am horrified by how dumbed-down it is. There are no minimize or maximize buttons on the windows, there's no easy way to simply drag icons to the desktop. Gnome developers went full-retard, full-circle back into complete autism. Don't even get me started on KDE - so much potential convoluted in all the wrong ways, as if it were written singlehandedly by an autistic Chinaman.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @06:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @06:16PM (#432937)

      as if it were written singlehandedly by an autistic Chinaman.

      LOL. Wasn't expecting that. That gave me a chuckle.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @06:50PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @06:50PM (#432956)

      I think you mean Unity sucks... And I agree 100%. Which is why I start with Ubuntu Gnome, then install gnome-flashback which gives me the good old Ubuntu 10.04 desktop look and feel. They (Unity) tried to make Ubuntu look like Windows Metro and pissed off many users, which went elsewhere or learned to like it.

    • (Score: 2) by inertnet on Friday November 25 2016, @06:58PM

      by inertnet (4071) on Friday November 25 2016, @06:58PM (#432958) Journal

      There are no minimize or maximize buttons on the windows

      Your window manager must be broken. Happens to me too sometimes (Debian Jessie), windows lose their minimize and maximize buttons sometimes after a bunch of updates. Being a recent Windows 10 refugee since early 2016, it takes me a lot of swearing and surfing to get things working again. Last week I just abandoned the broken Cinnamon desktop for Mate desktop and all is fine again. Until that brakes down, which I'm sure it will someday.

      • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 25 2016, @07:14PM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday November 25 2016, @07:14PM (#432966) Homepage

        Just found this gem: [soylentnews.org]

        " Contrary to our wishes, there may be some problems that exist in the release, even though it is declared stable. "

        Jesus Christ. For some values of some. Actually, besides the window controls bug, my Jessie UI had a major bugout (I'm guessing with the window zooming) That made my whole desktop look like a close-up of a subsection of a Picasso painting with only the elements surrounding the mouse cursor properly rendered. And my hardware is far from exotic, P4 arch with Intel integrated graphics.

        I'm really starting to wonder if there are Microsoft plants within all distros deliberately shitting them up with infuriating design and functionality changes. Probably because more and more of them are wasting time bitching about gender issues and safe spaces [imgur.com] rather than producing workable code. Is 2016 the year of the AIS desktop?

        • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 25 2016, @07:16PM

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday November 25 2016, @07:16PM (#432969) Homepage

          Er, sorry, this [debian.org] is the first link above, and is the first Google hit when Googling "Jessie Stable."

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @08:29PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @08:29PM (#432987)

          Don't like your options? You are free the write your own. You may not be as talented as an autistic Chinaman but that hasn't stopped you before, has it?

          • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 25 2016, @09:30PM

            by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday November 25 2016, @09:30PM (#433002) Homepage

            Meh. Probably just resign myself to gutting and rearranging an existing distro, then imaging. Why code or roll from scratch when I could use relics from back when Linux devs got things right?

            • (Score: 2) by gottabeme on Sunday November 27 2016, @11:27PM

              by gottabeme (1531) on Sunday November 27 2016, @11:27PM (#433817)

              No need for relics, KDE 3.5 lives on in the form of TDE. Latest release came out a couple weeks ago. Try it, it's great. Using it on Jessie. It's like the good old days, except today! I can dig up my old desktop screenshots from 10 years ago and make my current desktop look just like it! I even donated some money to the project, because I'm so thankful that someone is keeping the original KDE vision alive, i.e. making software that is useful, and keeping it working rather than turning it into a toy project and ripping out working code. :)

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by dyingtolive on Saturday November 26 2016, @06:02AM

          by dyingtolive (952) on Saturday November 26 2016, @06:02AM (#433139)

          That pic is delightful. I wrote a script once back when I was a BOFH that took all the bash history of the testing and root user accounts on our (non-prod, stop freaking) boxes and glommed it together into one giant text file that rolled the last 24 hours. Whenever I was frustrated or bummed, I'd just look at that shit and see the most hilarious things like that. No one knew it was there because I made it a dot-file. Sadly that was all it took.

          It actually came into use when one time one of our programs we used stopped working. I found it was replaced by a blank file. Confused, I check that and find someone tried to cat a empty file and redirected output to that program. I sent out an email saying "don't do this" that received a surprised "you're reading what we type?!", to which I responded "Yes, normally it makes me laugh, but now I'm going to propose using it for new hire screening questions."

          I drink a lot less than I used to then, which kinda sucks, but on the bright side, I don't NEED to drink nearly as often.

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          Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 26 2016, @05:36AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 26 2016, @05:36AM (#433132)

        hehe Happens to me too sometimes

        You just summed up *everything* I do with linux. Not sure how but I always end up in the edge cases.

    • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Saturday November 26 2016, @01:10AM

      by RamiK (1813) on Saturday November 26 2016, @01:10AM (#433059)

      Use the right tool for the job:

      If you actually need a productive desktop with desktop icons and a menu, use xfce.
      If you don't like desktop icons, use fluxbox\openbox.
      If you like tiling, use i3 + dmenu\j4-dmenu.
      If you're feeling adventurous, use Enlightenment.

      Gnome and KDE are "designed" for emacs programmers \ browser consumers that don't actually use them, as much as work around them.
      As a rule of thumb, if it takes a build farm to build and develop productively, avoid if at all possible.

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    • (Score: 1) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Saturday November 26 2016, @02:17AM

      by Scruffy Beard 2 (6030) on Saturday November 26 2016, @02:17AM (#433075)

      Shouldn't autistic people generally have attention to detail?

      I suspect Firefox was hosed because google asked them to make it harder to stop scripts (their source of revenue). That meant removing the prominent stop button, and hiding the option for disabling scripting.

      I have been testing Linux Mint for about a year, and it is just unstable (with bleeding edge drivers though). It is getting to the point that whenever Debian starts acting weird, it has to do with Lennart Poettering's software.

      Sound choppy? uninstall pulseaudio; modern hardware supports mixing anyway.

      Network flaky? Remove Network manager.

      System does not boot reproducibly? remove systemd.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday November 26 2016, @06:20AM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday November 26 2016, @06:20AM (#433142) Journal

      You're forgetting Xfce. I use it daily, and can make it look like anything from Win2K to Gnome 2.x (y'know, before it went full on can't even count to potato), and it actually does an amazing Mac imitation with Docky, Compiz/Emerald, and the TopMenu plugin.

      Xfce is the best DE there is right now.

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 1) by RS3 on Saturday November 26 2016, @06:06PM

        by RS3 (6367) on Saturday November 26 2016, @06:06PM (#433322)

        You're forgetting Xfce. I use it daily, and can make it look like anything from Win2K to Gnome 2.x (y'know, before it went full on can't even count to potato), and it actually does an amazing Mac imitation with Docky, Compiz/Emerald, and the TopMenu plugin.
        Xfce is the best DE there is right now.

        I agree 100%. Full disclosure- after finding xfce a few years ago, I've stopped trying other window managers, so I can't speak to them, except when/where they're the default such as with CentOS (which I rarely run in GUI mode). 10 or so years ago I got into and loved kde, and I still like it, but it got too big, loaded too many processes that I didn't want or need, I wasted too much time finding and disabling all that unwanted stuff, etc. Somehow I stumbled into xfce, found it runs all my beloved kde apps, very easy to customize, stable, simple, consistent across updates, etc.

        • (Score: 2) by gottabeme on Sunday November 27 2016, @11:30PM

          by gottabeme (1531) on Sunday November 27 2016, @11:30PM (#433819)

          KDE 3.5 lives on as TDE! Works great on current distros! Give it a try! :)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 26 2016, @02:27PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 26 2016, @02:27PM (#433215)

      The window-managers are all dumbed-down worthless shit, except for KDE

      No issues with Xubuntu for the last 5 years here. Give it a shot.