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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday November 30 2016, @01:54PM   Printer-friendly
from the you-can-never-have-too-many-offsite-backups-eh dept.

The Internet Archive plans to create a backup of its data in Canada in response to the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States:

The Internet Archive, a nonprofit that saves copies of old web pages, is creating a backup of its database in Canada, in response to the election of Donald Trump. "On November 9th in America, we woke up to a new administration promising radical change," the organization wrote in a blogpost explaining the move. "It was a firm reminder that institutions like ours, built for the long-term, need to design for change."

[...] The move will cost millions, according to the Internet Archive, which is soliciting donations. In their post, the Internet Archive justified its decision to backup its data in Canada, claiming that Trump could threaten an open internet. "For us, it means keeping our cultural materials safe, private and perpetually accessible. It means preparing for a Web that may face greater restrictions."


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Wednesday November 30 2016, @03:53PM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 30 2016, @03:53PM (#434949)

    A lot of the press still does good work

    I guess we're going to have to disagree on that.

    Clickbait, human interest stories, outright fake news, propaganda exclusively from only one political party, if it bleeds it leads, sportsball scores and commentary, weather reports for people without the agency to type in www.weather.gov... What great grand thing are we losing here? Flush em.

    paranoia

    Pre-wikileaks that might have worked. Post wikileaks, LOL no.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 30 2016, @04:14PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 30 2016, @04:14PM (#434967)

    You really are lock-step with the new order. Ikanreed is right, you've been shifted into an alternate reality by all the conspiracy stuff you read. I still am unsure whether Clinton would be better or worse, but you VLM are so tilted into the lies and promises of Trump that he just might be able to lead us over a cliff with you cheering him on. Your desire to punish liberals overrides your common sense and makes you downplay the most fascist authoritarian stuff Trump says!! At least the more honest Trump supporters say he is a huge tool, but they hope he'll shake things up without destroying the country.

    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday November 30 2016, @06:34PM

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 30 2016, @06:34PM (#435042)

      without destroying the country.

      Its worth as a thought experiment to test things out by imagining the opposite. So ... lets say as a thought experiment everything he actually said (not propaganda reactions and clickbait headlines, but stuff he actually said) was simply rubberstamped by ... everyone. Press, congress, everyone.

      How destroyed would the country be? Oh, not at all? Yeah I'm not so worried there.

      Remember we're in a shared culture where for half a century every R candidate has been literally Hitler yet they always fail to light up the ovens. So there's no small amount of "boy who cried wolf" going on.

      The maximal peak of "country destruction" is likely to be something like CNNs shareholders feel a little bad for a little while.

      I'm pretty good with that.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 30 2016, @10:05PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 30 2016, @10:05PM (#435150)

        > How destroyed would the country be? Oh, not at all? Yeah I'm not so worried there.

        If we spend the tens of billions of dollars to build that wall and the tens of billions to maintain it?
        If we deport every single undocumented immigrant?
        If we criminally prosecute women for having abortions?
        If we create a registry of muslims?
        If we murder the relatives of terrorists?
        If we bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding?
        Encourage Korea and Japan to acquire nuclear weapons?
        Seize the oil in Iraq?
        Bring back stop and frisk?

        The list of actual things he said just goes on and on.

        No other major party candidate has suggested any of the things that Trump has said.
        If you think he's the same as all the other republicans, then you are choosing to ignore reality.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 30 2016, @07:54PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 30 2016, @07:54PM (#435088)

      Your desire to punish liberals overrides your common sense

      Actually, it is after seeing liberals in operation, and wanting to COMPLETELY disassociate with them.

      Liberals have become pariahs by their own hand, and absolutely no one wants to be within 100 yards of them lest your flesh rot off.

      If the left supports a free press, it's strictly for your HuffPo and fuck everyone else.
      If the left supports freedom to protest, it's only for BLM and fuck everyone else
      If the left supports journalistic integrity, it is to call everyone else brainwashed liars and the need to clamp down on "fake" news.

      Sorry, these perceptions don't come from some alt-right orbital mind control laser, more the alt-right is a response to seeing the unabated hypocrisy of liberals in action. Any support from them is little more than (((I'm alright, Jack))).

      While your concern about the nature of what could happen with the press is mildly amusing, the timing is a little suspicious to suddenly have a revelation about how important the press is, so kindly fuck right off; I can make my own determination about your sincerity level.

  • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday November 30 2016, @04:16PM

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 30 2016, @04:16PM (#434970) Journal

    And before your attitude led to the election of fascist, this would probably have been where I'd have been like "Enjoy your delusions" and bailed out of the conversation.

    But now, now I've got to fight. Fight to fix what's been broken so badly. There's got to be a weakness in this shell of anti-reality you've built yourself.

    Maybe some hint that I'm on your side that our press sucks? That I've never ever ever been a fan of TV news, and I'm totally aware that the 24 hour news cycle is broken?

    Maybe try again at pointing out that parties communicating with the media as "watchdogs" for their opposition isn't new or surprising?

    Point out that Assange went off the deep end this year with buying into an actual satanic cult on completely specious evidence?

    I don't know man. There's got to be a way to get through to you.

    • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 30 2016, @04:50PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 30 2016, @04:50PM (#434990)

      Yeah, I've been through several decades of the leftist being on "my" side.

      Until they stab you in back.

      The more perceptive have realized that dealing with the left is a deal with the devil.

      No one wants that kind of help.

      • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday November 30 2016, @05:04PM

        by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 30 2016, @05:04PM (#435000) Journal

        Man, that sounds like you're projecting something personal onto this.

        Also, by leftists do you mean actual leftists, or the moderate progressives? Because there's almost none of the former in the US with any political sway.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 30 2016, @05:05PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 30 2016, @05:05PM (#435001)

      Maybe some hint that I'm on your side that our press sucks?

      Interesting way you have about building coalitions.

      Jesus, Christ, pseudolibertarians, your bullshit oversimplifications remains bullshit oversimplifications in spite of a good half of you contributing to electing an actual fascist.

      Fuck you and false your false equivalences. Fuck every single idiot who ignored the incredibly fascist things this guy said and just rolled their eyes and went "He's not a Nazi, what about emails?"

      Do I think the people advocating "shrinking government" have ever even briefly considered doing that? No. So fuck off.

      Fuck your false equivalences a second time.

      And here comes the conspiracy crowd to tell us how the "luggenpresse" should really be destroyed to make way for his alternate-reality sources that tell him his conspiracy theories are right no matter how much they have to completely distort sources.

      I don't know man. There's got to be a way to get through to you.

      Yes, you've made it abundantly clear the only side you are on is your side.

      Thanks, but no thanks.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Wednesday November 30 2016, @05:13PM

        by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 30 2016, @05:13PM (#435005) Journal

        "You said I was wrong about something! That's it! I'm siding with a fascist who stands in staunch opposition to the thing I claim to value most."

        You are everything wrong with politics.

    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday November 30 2016, @06:47PM

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 30 2016, @06:47PM (#435051)

      I kinda like this conversation because it demonstrates how the cultural escape velocity has been reached such that communication is quite challenging. The minority of the country that lost seem very confused about Trump.

      Sure... um, I'll oppose Trump if you dump on Assange some more. What does that even...? I mean across political boundaries that strategy doesn't even make sense. Oh perhaps you think I dislike Assange, like Hillary who wanted to call in a drone strike on him. Naw I'm all good.

      Or call the guy running on the anti-globalist anti-war platform a fascist some more. I heard that worked wonders for the D party in the heartland, every time Hillary called white people deplorable racists they were supposed to vote 1% more for her but to her complete surprise it seemed to go the other way. I mean, words don't even make sense across political boundaries anymore. She thought those were seductive words of endearment but the electorate said F you in response, huh.

      fix what's been broken so badly.

      Like, um... well, famously he was verbally disrespectful to the female groupies who sluttily threw themselves at him when he was a young single guy. Of course its hard to respect women who don't respect themselves, but that's not a total excuse for his behavior, takes two to tango and all that. Oh well I'd rather elect a leader than a saint. And, um... Yeah I guess that's all that's broken so far. You see anything broken out there?

      • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Wednesday November 30 2016, @07:49PM

        by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Wednesday November 30 2016, @07:49PM (#435085) Homepage Journal

        The minority of the country that lost seem very confused about Trump.

        So far, Trump's 2.3 million votes behind Clinton. He's only President Elect because of the electoral college. The same thing happened in 2000, and had the popular vote mattered, why might not have been attacked the next year, and we certainly wouldn't have invaded Iraq, and certainly wouldn't have ended up with such a huge deficit; war is damned expensive.

        OTOH, maybe it was the best that Clinton lost, even though I voted for her. I did a little history digging, looking up the President who historians say was our worst, James Buchanan, and his pre-President public service life was amazingly like Hillary's.

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        • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Wednesday November 30 2016, @08:41PM

          by krishnoid (1156) on Wednesday November 30 2016, @08:41PM (#435106)

          I did a little history digging, looking up the President who historians say was our worst, James Buchanan, and his pre-President public service life was amazingly like Hillary's.

          How dare you impute the good name of James Buchanan! I demand citations!

          Actually, I was just curious of the resources you consulted when researching a semi-subjective topic like this.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by ikanreed on Wednesday November 30 2016, @09:00PM

            by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 30 2016, @09:00PM (#435117) Journal

            It's usually something covered in any sort of college level American history class, so specific citations aren't really part of how I came to understand this, but Buchanan was infamous for taking an (apparently) very pro-slavery position and nixing the reneging on the compromises between the North and the South in a way that sharpened divides and amplified animosity, then flatly ignored the backlash(like bleeding Kansas) hyperpolarizing the nation. In many ways historians think he was responsible for making the civil war inevitable, by making moderate abolitionists like Lincoln(who advocated for a buy-out of slaves until the war) the enemy of The South.

            He then proceeded to ignore secession, when states pulled out due to not liking the results of an election(man, sound familiar?) making his refusal to address the reality of the country complete. He just ignored everything. In short, he was a legalist, obsessed with following the law, in a time when a pragmatist or a moralist would have served better.

          • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday December 01 2016, @03:47PM

            by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Thursday December 01 2016, @03:47PM (#435471) Homepage Journal

            It started with something I read in The Atlantic, so I looked him up in Wikipedia and Britannica. I realize you can't use an encyclopedia for real research, I was simply curious.

            Of course, Buchanan had no private email server...

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    • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Wednesday November 30 2016, @07:41PM

      by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Wednesday November 30 2016, @07:41PM (#435080) Homepage Journal

      "I don't know man. There's got to be a way to get through to you," says the atheist trying to convince the fundie that God doesn't exist, or vice versa.

      It's hopeless. It's like trying to convince a schizophrenic that he wasn't a fighter pilot in the Vietnam war, despite the fact that the war ended when he was twelve and he is clueless about the operation of an aircraft (this was a real person I knew!).

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