The self-proclaimed "Veteran Unix Admins" forking Debian in the name of init freedom have released Beta 2 of their "Devuan" Linux distribution.
Devuan came about after some users felt it had become too desktop-friendly. The change the greybeards objected to most was the decision to replace sysvinit init with systemd, a move felt to betray core Unix principles of user choice and keeping bloat to a bare minimum.
Supporters of init freedom also dispute assertions that systemd is in all ways superior to sysvinit init, arguing that Debian ignored viable alternatives like sinit, openrc, runit, s6 and shepherd. All are therefore included in Devuan.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 04 2016, @10:40AM
As a result of that schism a number of dissenters were forced out/quit and spun off devuan instead.
That is false as none of the people involved in Devuan have been part of the Debian project before.
They are people who haven't worked on a real Linux distribution (i.e. not just a live image) before and are slowly starting to try and figure out how this works. There is a reason they can't do any estimates on how long something would take.
(Score: 2) by fritsd on Sunday December 04 2016, @06:06PM
I was never a DD; don't know about the others. I'm not sure you can generalize.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 09 2016, @09:47AM
I'm not sure you can generalize.
It's a fact that none of the Devuan developers were members of the Debian project.
Unlike your feelings it could be proven wrong (if it were not true).
(Score: 2) by Bot on Monday December 05 2016, @10:45PM
In fact Jaromil worked at dyne:bolic which is a live image.
This is not a matter of experience. Given the real reasons for pushing systemd, I expect that it will be tears and blood for those wanting to remove it, or on the other hand master it, no matter their experience. Systemd is complicated and, according to the creator, always a moving target, Android style. It does not matter if the doors are unlocked if you have to open 343349 of those to go for one room to another.
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