Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

SoylentNews is people

posted by on Tuesday December 06 2016, @12:19PM   Printer-friendly
from the don't-believe-everything-you-read dept.

The guardian reports on a sobering event in Washington DC.

US police have arrested a man wielding an assault rifle who entered a pizza restaurant that was the target of fake news reports it was operating a child abuse ring led by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top campaign aide.

[...] The suspect entered the restaurant and pointed a gun at a restaurant employee, who fled and notified authorities, police said. The man then discharged the weapon inside the restaurant. There were no injuries.

[...] [Police] said the suspect during an interview with investigators revealed that he came to the establishment to "self-investigate" Pizzagate, the police statement said. Pizzagate is a baseless conspiracy, which falsely claims Clinton and her campaign chief John Podesta were running a child sex ring from the restaurant's backrooms.


Original Submission

 
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
Display Options Threshold/Breakthrough Mark All as Read Mark All as Unread
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @01:10PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @01:10PM (#437648)

    > Then they gambled everything on their annointed one and lost.

    As if genuine human imperfection is the equivalent of deliberate lie telling.

    You've always struck me as a right-winger in sheeps clothes.
    I guess it should be no surprise you are so quick to apply a facile explanation that is in itself a kind of conspiracy to gloss over a complex problem.

    Starting Score:    0  points
    Moderation   -1  
       Flamebait=1, Total=1
    Extra 'Flamebait' Modifier   0  

    Total Score:   -1  
  • (Score: 2) by rondon on Tuesday December 06 2016, @01:19PM

    by rondon (5167) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @01:19PM (#437653)

    Hope you got a big pile of stones in that glass house, cuz it sure is fun watching you throw them from out here...

    Enjoy your petty one-liners from AC land.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @01:33PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @01:33PM (#437659)

      >> As if genuine human imperfection is the equivalent of deliberate lie telling.
      >
      > Enjoy your petty one-liners from AC land.

      Yeah? If that's what you consider too petty to respond to, then the problem is you. I don't live in a glass house, I know I harbor no illusions about my perfection.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday December 06 2016, @02:23PM

    by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @02:23PM (#437706) Journal

    It's pretty easy to come off as “right wing” when you can see the lizard people for what they are. Maybe not actual reptilians from between the 3rd and 4th dimensions here from Thuban to… psychically drain emotional energy, or something—Icke's theory. But close enough.

    The MSM was a fucking joke this entire year. There are some false flag theories floating around about this guy who was unhinged enough not to get the joke here. I mean, maybe I'm an oldfag from when /b/ was good (*rolls eyes*), but this is clearly a case of loli haet pizza [encyclopediadramatica.se]. As far as fake news goes it's weak sauce. Some mentally unstable bozo takes a gun there, nobody is injured, and as the Joker noted, everybody loses their minds! But if everything goes “according to plan,” no matter how horrifying that plan is, nobody panics.

    I mean, am I supposed to believe that out of all the news organizations out there, none of them felt the need to figure out just why Clinton decided she was “against” TPP? Did they really need to take every last little tweet from the Donald out of context and hyperventilate about it for a whole fucking year?

    If we're to believe the Misogynerd Narrative, Trump is the fault of all of us sexually insecure video-game playing assigned males from the internet. But then why did so many womyn-goddamned-born-womyn vote for him? Where was the MSM coverage of Women for Trump?

    I'm also still not quite over how blatantly The Advocate decided to illustrate that the homosexual lifestyle is an actual thing! But hey, it makes a lot of shit like The Rocky Horror Picture Show, Angels in America, Rent, and Jonathan Demme's supposed apology for The Silence of the Lambs, Philadelphia, make sense. This is the kind of sexual perversity and diseased human degradation the lizard people want me to believe comes with being born a fag.

    And hell, if being “right wing” means that you reject the homosexual lifestyle that the lizard people have prescribed for people who are born homosexual, I guess count me as “right wing” too.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday December 06 2016, @06:10PM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @06:10PM (#437904) Journal

      So is it just gay dudes? Because aside from the annoying crowd who are also vegan/vegetarian/what-have-you, I don't see gay women doing things like that beyond the occasional separatist nuts like the TERFs.

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday December 06 2016, @07:24PM

        by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @07:24PM (#437958) Journal

        I think so.

        This “gay [man] lifestyle” (interesting how the man bit there is completely implied in right-wing fears of the “gay lifestyle”) seems to revolve around the idea that developing GRID/AIDS is a totally normal part of the lifecycle of a gay man to the point we're being asked to accept promiscuous sexual activity leading to disease as a package deal with male homosexuality. If we don't accept the disease, we must be rejecting the idea of homosexuality. Accepting the disease as an inevitability of being born a homosexual man also means accepting that the disease is beyond the realm of personal responsibility.

        So if one is a libertarian who prefers to keep disease-free by not being promiscuous (along with safety precautions) despite being homosexual, then what I think The Advocate was saying is that right there is fundamentally incompatible with “gay.”

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday December 06 2016, @07:34PM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @07:34PM (#437969) Journal

          Gods, that's a scary thought. I'm too young to remember (and halfway across the country from...) the Castro district, but I know the history. Including, incidentally, all the lesbians who helped the men and never get much credit for it but that's a side story.

          So it sounds like the problem here is promiscuity. And, let's be real here, it's two men deciding when to fuck, the answer's gonna be "pretty much whenever we're not sleeping" given how horny men are. Odd thing, though, is this doesn't match the way my gay guy friends act. The one I'm closest to actually has had fewer partners and longer relationships than a few straight men I know.

          --
          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
          • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday December 06 2016, @08:48PM

            by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 06 2016, @08:48PM (#438021) Journal

            You're missing a lot of factors. In some countries AIDs was spread more my sharing needles among addicts. In much of Africa it was spread more by widespread prostitution. I AIDs spreads is a social factor, and wealth seems to act as a reasonable prophylactic, though it's certainly not perfect. There *are* documented cases of men getting AIDs and intentionally spreading it as widely as they could, but they weren't all gay. I can't remember whether they did or didn't decide that that counted as assault with a deadly weapon, but the question came up in court.

            So quite possibly the cause of the "acceptance of AIDs" by gay men is due to a sense of despair at social rejection, and the resultant feeling that doom is inevitable. But I also doubt that it's really as universal as you're portraying, at least now that AIDs doesn't seem to be an immediate sentence of (delayed) death preceded by months or years of suffering.

            --
            Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @09:53PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @09:53PM (#438066)

              Consider that the AIDS infection rate among adults in South Africa in 2007 was 18.5%.
              That's way, way beyond the scope of just gay people.

    • (Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Tuesday December 06 2016, @06:49PM

      by LoRdTAW (3755) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @06:49PM (#437940) Journal

        Some mentally unstable bozo takes a gun there, nobody is injured, and as the Joker noted, everybody loses their minds!

      Yea, I don't know what all the hype is about either. So what a deranged lunatic discharges a gun in a pizzeria because he believed Hillary was raping kids there. Liberal pussies these days, I swear...

      • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday December 06 2016, @08:01PM

        by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @08:01PM (#437992) Journal

        Deranged lunatics do all kinds of things.

        I'm sure it was a terrible situation for the people who were there, and it's probably been hard on the workers.

        The part where everybody loses their minds is this scare about “fake news” and online radicalization. The level of bullshit and hysteria is straight out of a Chick Tract [chick.com]. If you play AD&D, Satan will take over your mind! If you read Fake News, the alt-right will take over your mind!

        The MSM is writing in the style of Jack Chick with the same level of hysteria lately. It works for similar reasons people believe Dark Dungeons is an accurate depiction of an AD&D session. I'm sure there's some truth to AD&D being a tool of the devil in that there's a correlation between being a young person, being introduced to AD&D, questioning your parents' values, and drugs, sex, rock and roll, etc. I'm not got at classifying fallacies, but in both cases there is a severe confusion about causes and effects. [nizkor.org]

        It's just… the whole thing is massive fail.

        If “fake news” is such of a huge problem, I feel that the institutional failures that have lead to a populace with so many easily misled people are the real problem to be concerned about.

        I mean, what is this? Dueling propaganda machines? Who can crank out the best sounding bullshit on the left and send it into the squared circle against the best sounding bullshit on the right?

        • (Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Tuesday December 06 2016, @08:27PM

          by LoRdTAW (3755) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @08:27PM (#438007) Journal

          If “fake news” is such of a huge problem, I feel that the institutional failures that have lead to a populace with so many easily misled people are the real problem to be concerned about.

          This is a human condition. People are lazy. This has nothing to do with failure of anything, people just want the fuckin news. And whatever they are fed, they eat so long as it appeals to their palate. Doesn't matter if you took a sample of people from today, 30 or even 100 years ago. They're all lazy. They want to live in an ideal world where they can trust the news and that's that. Besides, they have enough to worry about besides playing Jr detective and Clark Kent, mild mannered reporter.

          I mean, what is this? Dueling propaganda machines? Who can crank out the best sounding bullshit on the left and send it into the squared circle against the best sounding bullshit on the right?

          Yes. That's exactly what this is.

  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday December 06 2016, @07:35PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 06 2016, @07:35PM (#437970) Journal

    As if genuine human imperfection is the equivalent of deliberate lie telling.

    Why do you think this is just about lying? A lot of US media has been blatantly imperfect in more ways than just the telling of lies (such as parroting spoon-fed information from government and other sources). And as to your comment about "deliberate lie telling" all lies are deliberate by definition.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Tuesday December 06 2016, @08:58PM

      by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 06 2016, @08:58PM (#438024) Journal

      I attribute the decline in the care for truth to the monopolization of the mainstream media, and the retreat of control over the news to organizational levels where they don't actually deal with it, they only deal with money. I noticed this happening strongly when a local newspaper chain (already it was only weakly controlled by those who cared about news) was bought by a group that had the name of a liquor company, though I didn't bother to find out if that was really their main business. The quality of the news declined rapidly.

      OK, so the traditional sources of news have become extremely poor, after being poor. Don't think that people don't notice this, but many people need to believe that they know what's really going on. So when they become disillusioned with the current news ("They can't even get ... right.", where "..." is something that they can check, or already know.) then they go looking for other sources to trust. Some will pick this source, and some that, but the crucial thing about the new source is it doesn't report anything that they can check, so they don't become disillusioned.

      Well, that's my theory, and it's why I became disillusioned with the local news. Unfortunately for me I believe in epistemology, and so if a new source reports news that it has no way of knowing, I rapidly become disillusioned with it. So I then to believe mainly technical publications, and those that are careful in their wording when they are reporting that "my theory is that...".

      --
      Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday December 06 2016, @09:39PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @09:39PM (#438049) Journal

    You've always struck me as a right-winger in sheeps clothes.

    Hahaha thank you, thank you. I haven't had a laugh like that in a long while.

    I guess it should be no surprise you are so quick to apply a facile explanation that is in itself a kind of conspiracy to gloss over a complex problem.

    Whaddya want? I was Lincoln-Douglas, not Policy. You sound like Serious Interpretation, which is two doors down past Mr. Foley's office, on the left.

    --
    Washington DC delenda est.