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posted by cmn32480 on Monday December 19 2016, @06:43AM   Printer-friendly
from the preventing-the-mistakes-of-the-past dept.

Two weeks ago, twitter was the only company willing to publicly commit to not aiding the government in building a database of muslims or any other religious minority. At the time, many criticized the Intercept for a click-baity, misleading headline.

But the public shaming had an effect and now more companies have come forward to vow non-cooperation in repeating one of America's biggest mistakes - when the census bureau provided the names of Japanese to be rounded up for internment camps.

One company notably missing from the list is Oracle which owns the big-data profiling company BlueKai and whose CEO recently joined the president elect's transition team. Also absent is IBM, a company with a history of aiding the German government with their execution of the Holocaust.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @06:48AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @06:48AM (#442977)

    It's just to satisfy muslims and liberals in this country, and numerous muslims abroad.

    If they actually intend to participate in un-American activities, we'll just use the force of law to make them serve their country. We can start by enforcing numerous existing laws, including anti-trust. The ultimate tool is eminent domain.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @06:56AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @06:56AM (#442981)

    > It's just to satisfy muslims and liberals in this country, and numerous muslims abroad.

    Because only muslims and liberals care about the constitution, american values and american exceptionalism.

    > The ultimate tool is eminent domain.

    The ultimate tool is publicity. Going on the record opposing this means they will have the social credit necessary to be taken seriously if they complain about the government strong arming them. It also means that if they acquiesce, their employees will have legitimate cover to be whistleblowers.

    It would an error to dismiss this as meaningless. Saying nothing would be meaningless. This puts their position on the record. Not just as a statement to the incoming administration but as a form of social signaling to other corporations telling them to get on the bandwagon too.

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @07:21AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @07:21AM (#442985)

      This is just a bunch of tech companies opposing something Trump has already discarded or will rework into No-Fly 3.11 for Death Squads with no opposition from these same companies.

      Wake me up when these companies refuse to do any kind of work for NSA, DHS, CIA, FBI, DNI.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @11:29AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @11:29AM (#443068)

        These companies are completely fine doing that level of spying on *ALL* Americans, so of course they don't need to *ADD* a registry of Muslims. They just have a registry of Americans, and you can sort by religion or disclosed ethnic background. So if you either listed your religion as Muslim on the last census, or claimed yourself under 'Middle Eastern' for ethnic background, they already have you sorted out with no more than a select statement against an sql database somewhere.

        The problem with big data is people have access to it. And as a result of that, the wrong people have access to it.

        The right people... well I am not sure they exist or will exist.

        • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday December 19 2016, @04:14PM

          by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 19 2016, @04:14PM (#443183)

          aiding the government in building a database

          Careful reading between the lines, the DB is already built and/or these guys did not get the contract.

          Its meaningless social signalling. For people who are into that, I guess these companies are now cooler.

          • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Monday December 19 2016, @07:48PM

            by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 19 2016, @07:48PM (#443285) Journal

            Well, it's not meaningless, but it's less impressive that it appears to be on the face. Much less.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @08:16AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @08:16AM (#443008)

    The ultimate tool is eminent domain.

    Thank you for not saying "Donald Trump."

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by ledow on Monday December 19 2016, @11:46AM

    by ledow (5567) on Monday December 19 2016, @11:46AM (#443077) Homepage

    You lumped muslims into a group. You collectively refer to over a quarter of the world's population as if they are like-minded, identical people with the same opinions.

    It's at that point that I stopped reading.

    Is SoylentNews really going to mirror that other green website in its tolerance of racism / religionism?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @01:56PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @01:56PM (#443119)

      Have you read soylent?
      This place is far worse slashdot when it comes to bigotry.
      Mainly because the bigots are just as loud but there are less decent people to hold them back.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @10:34PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @10:34PM (#443405)

        It's far easier to argue with a bigot than it is with a SJW.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @02:55PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 19 2016, @02:55PM (#443142)

      You lumped muslims into a group

      Maybe because all self-proclaimed Muslims by necessity claim to obey Islam, which is not the religion of peace you probably believe it is. Islam is in fact a sociopolitical system that literally demands its adherents wage a worldwide war until "all religion is for Allah".

      If you are not familiar with the following key concepts, I strongly encourage you to educate yourself. The best single-source is Prophet of Doom [prophetofdoom.net], a now sadly-diminished site which only offers a free PDF of its titular book (it does seem that seeds for the audiobook exist on torrent sites, and an archive might have the HTML version cached).

      - taquiyya, "moral lying"
      - abrogation, "the new replaces the old", and all those peaceful Quranic verses? They're old.

      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday December 19 2016, @03:15PM

        by tangomargarine (667) on Monday December 19 2016, @03:15PM (#443149)

        The best single-source is Prophet of Doom

        Sounds like a sunny site. For counterpoint, check out Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] (nobody can ever agree how to Latinize this stuff):

        Since the 2000s, taqiyya has become a frequently invoked concept in debates surrounding criticism of Islam and especially Islamic extremism. Islamic scholars tend to emphasize that taqiyya is only permissible under duress, and that the inflationary use of the term qualifies as "a staple of right-wing Islamophobia in North America" (Mohammad Fadel 2013), or "Taqiyya libel against Muslims"[45] while their critics accuse them of practicing "taqiyya about taqiyya" (Raymond Ibrahim, 2014).[46]

        For some reason they spell it with one Y in the page title and 2 Ys basically everywhere else.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:42PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:42PM (#443756)

          Prophet of Doom

          Sounds like a sunny site

          Once you start learning about accurate historical accounts (from any source) of the formation, transformation, and continuation of the sociopolitical system of Islam, you will realize how apt the "sunny" site title is.

          • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:59PM

            by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:59PM (#443807)

            Whether or not it's an apt name, you're not likely to get that many people "converted" with it, since the only people not turned off by the title are probably in your camp already...

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      • (Score: -1, Troll) by BigotDetectorGoesBing! on Monday December 19 2016, @06:18PM

        by BigotDetectorGoesBing! (5877) on Monday December 19 2016, @06:18PM (#443241)

        Maybe because all self-proclaimed Muslims by necessity claim to obey Islam, which is not the religion of peace you probably believe it is. Islam is in fact a sociopolitical system that literally demands its adherents wage a worldwide war until "all religion is for Allah".

        The best single-source is Prophet of Doom

        Bing!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:37PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:37PM (#443755)

          A naked ad hominem insult is not a rebuttal.

    • (Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Monday December 19 2016, @06:41PM

      by digitalaudiorock (688) on Monday December 19 2016, @06:41PM (#443254) Journal

      You lumped muslims into a group. You collectively refer to over a quarter of the world's population as if they are like-minded, identical people with the same opinions.

      +1000. Next step it to start posting links to that fucking bigot-fest that is thereligionofpeace.com or the like. How do people not get that if even the tiniest percentage of that population where the radical jihadists we're supposed to believe they all are, they'd outnumber the combined military of just about every major nation of the world?

      Interesting related note: During the height of the Iraq war I decided to look up some numbers, and at that time the estimated membership of Al-Qaeda as a percentage of the Islamic population of the world happened to be identical (down to like 3 decimal places) to the membership of the KKK as a percentage of Protestants worldwide.

    • (Score: 2) by edIII on Monday December 19 2016, @09:21PM

      by edIII (791) on Monday December 19 2016, @09:21PM (#443344)

      I don't know about the other site, I do know that I don't tolerate it at all. I will stand up to the bigotry and racism, as you just have.

      Thank you.

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