SoylentNews is people
SoylentNews
A lorry has ploughed into a busy Christmas market in the heart of Berlin, killing nine people and injuring many more, police say. Police say they suspect it was a deliberate attack. Video shows stalls knocked over and people lying injured. A suspicious person has been arrested nearby, while a passenger was found dead, police say. The market is at Breitscheidplatz, close to the Kurfuerstendamm, the main shopping street in the city's west. Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman, Steffen Seibert, tweeted to say: "We are in mourning for the dead and hope that the many injured can get help."
There are now reports from local police that 12 people have been confirmed killed in the attack.
https://twitter.com/polizeiberlin/status/810940347006197760
A man stormed into a Zurich mosque on Monday evening and opened fire on people praying, injuring three, Swiss police said.
They said they had collected evidence inside the building and would make more details available on Tuesday. They declined to comment on the potential motive.
Two of the three men -- aged 30, 35 and 56 -- were seriously injured in the attack shortly after 5:30 p.m. local time (1630 GMT) near the main train station in Switzerland's financial capital, Zurich police said.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:05AM
Why would they shoot up a mosque? Are they non-Muslims taking revenge, or is it a Muslim factional dispute?
Sigh. The best thing I can think of for the rest of the world to do about Islam is to stop using petroleum entirely. It removes the only reason for the rest of the world to meddle in their affairs, and deprives Islamic terror of the funds they use to visit their dysfunction on others.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:15AM
They blow eachother up on a daily basis. It's just not important enough to make the evening news. It's like black on black violence. This mosque was probably moderate or progressive. Isis can't have that going on when they're trying to take over the world with their child raping fairytales.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:38AM
You can't say that! Muhammad married a 8 year old girl and took children as slaves. This makes all of what islamists do today perfectly legal and acceptable. Disagree and they may kill you. Unless you are female in which case you deserve to be a.slave by marriage or as property. The koran says so.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:47AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @03:02AM
Sane ≠ Intelligent.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @03:20AM
But, but, but but! The Quran is software for people. If you are a muslim you must literally follow every verse just like a computer follows every instruction without question. You really don't understand how religion works.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:13AM
Might as well drop the entire religion, then. I don't see what's so appealing about cherrypicking and rationalizing everything.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:16AM
If you can't live your life like a computer following instructions by rote then what is the point of life?!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:10PM
Modern computers trap on illegal instructions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @03:25AM
Except MikeeUSA, that is! But I bet he wears fabric woven of two kinds of thread! Heretic!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:22AM
Say it to my face.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:50PM
I would love to.
Where do you live Mikee?
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:23AM
Where is this majority, and why are they not saying that what is written in Koran should not be taken literally? Oh that's fucking right, those that would say that are murdered almost instantly. But I guess there could be a silent "complicit" majority...
(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:41AM
not to believe [...] is not acceptable today.
I think what you wrote is not what you wanted to write...
Registered IRC nick on chat.soylentnews.org: qkontinuum
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2016, @05:55AM
Negation is a harsh mistress.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:47PM
Actually, this is the heart of the problem. A large number of them sincerely believe that this is the case. They are mentally stuck in the medieval age. You can see them walking around the streets with their hair covered proudly broadcasting to the world their perceptive of how things should be.
It may be time to declare the lot of them mentally incompetent.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:18AM
Too late. It isn't about meddling for oil anymore - meddling set up the conditions, now they are somewhat self-sustaining. Its about the fact that west is the 800lb gorilla. A gorilla that can be lured and is used to sitting wherever it wants without caring who it crushes.
The asshole wing of the religion sees the west as a big stick they can use to hit conventional muslims with. Like a lever and a fulcrum - kill enough westerners (the fulcrum) and the lever will swing and do 1000x the damage to regular muslims. ISIS is just itching to bait Trump [businessinsider.com] into doing something that will indiscriminately harm muslims. They think it will drive the more secular into the arms of the fundie assholes and those who don't join the fundies, well no loss they aren't "real" muslims anyway.
(Score: 2) by archfeld on Tuesday December 20 2016, @03:19AM
Without the need for oil, the 'west' could and would generally just abandon and ignore the middle east. Cease western supported air traffic and the financial influx generated by oil. That would dry up most of the funds used to arm and supply the terrorists. Without the outside focus on a 'common' enemy the various faction would fall into a vicious circle of hatred and the moderates would finally get tired of it and have them all put down.
For the NSA : Explosives, guns, assassination, conspiracy, primers, detonators, initiators, main charge, nuclear charge
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @03:37AM
its like you didn't read anything in the post you responded to and instead just posted a canned response of talking points
who is paying you, or do you just do it as a hobby?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:30AM
It's like you're illiterate, and didn't understand anything GP posted.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Francis on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:10AM
We could, and ultimately, we do need to stop meddling in their affairs as the terrorism that we've been fighting is largely coming from the Middle East. There's also the domestic terrorists, but it seems a tad easier to deal with terrorists if you're not purposefully inflaming tensions to have cause to fund defense contractors.
At this point, it should be clear to anybody with two brain cells to rub together that continuing to interfere isn't working. At this point there have been so many mistakes made in the region by various administrations that even if we do adopt the right strategy, they'll write it off as being a strategy rather than a heartfelt effort to help.
Best thing would really be to just stop supplying weapons to the region, stop permitting companies to do business with the region and let nature take its course. Unfortunately, that would probably not work as we already allowed the Israelis to gain nuclear weapons and I don't doubt that they're crazy enough to use them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @04:58PM
The solution is well-known but unpalatable to modern liberals: change the culture by force and/or just exterminate people
For example, they could be forced to be outwardly Christian. All expressions of non-conformance get death by torture. After a few generations, it starts to actually stick, and you can let up on the brutality.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 23 2016, @05:45AM
Use the favoured muslim tactic against them? Good idea.
We can start by forcing them to obey our laws.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:50AM
sorry, but even if we stopped buying their stuff, 100% stopped - they have a religious 'drive' to conquer the whole world.
most americans fail to see this and they deny deny deny it. they think that 'our meddling' is the cause of it.
100% false.
their religious book tells them that they are allowed temporary peace-times in order to regroup and regain strength. but the fight to convert the world to islam CAN NOT STOP until they reach their goal.
the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can try to fix it. I have no idea HOW to fix it, but at least admitting what the real problem is would go a long way.
thinking that its because of this or that or israel - all just distractions. their holy books command them to own the whole world. that's it. full stop.
in other words, their religion is incompatible with world peace until/unless we all get murdered or converted.
you want that?
no, no one here does.
but we keep lying to ourselves what the real cause is.
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:32AM
some fucking liberal actually moderated you a troll for speaking truth
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:42AM
Must be a muslim with mod points on today.
Same thing happens when they move to western countries to breed. Eventually they vote a muslim to power and then it goes to hell.
Happening in Sydney right now.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:53PM
Fine. Two muslims with mod points.
Does not stop the fact that western Sydney is turning into a shithole due to the increasing muslim population
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:26PM
[citation needed]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2016, @10:48AM
Your GoogleFu has failed you.
https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=sydney%20muslim%20problems [duckduckgo.com]
Let's start with: http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/10/08/22/10/western-sydney-has-got-a-muslim-problem-mark-latham-on-the-verdict [9news.com.au]
Here's another: https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2016/03/04/australias-child-bride-problem/ [wordpress.com]
There is a slew of news articles on the Western Sydney problem directly related to the number of muslims in the area.
I went there recently to look for myself. Never have I seen so many police officers walking around in pairs in the shop areas. Tussles in the street. Angry looks from veiled women. Not the worst part though. Much of the area has been taken over by Vietnamese and Chinese immigrants who have built a new life in Australia. There is a vast rich society woven through the area with several cultures working and living together. Except the muslims. The locals now feel threatened by the muslims who are claiming Western Sydney for themselves. This results in conflict on the streets with bloodshed.
Citation needed? Google it. Or visit there and see for your self.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2016, @11:01AM
http://awesternheart.blogspot.com/2009/09/sydneys-lebanese-muslim-problem.html [blogspot.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Australia#Sectarian_tensions [wikipedia.org]
"The Sydney gang rapes formed a much reported set of incidents in 2000; a group of Lebanese men sexually assaulted non-Muslim women. In 2005, tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims in the Cronulla area of Sydney led to violent rioting; the incident resulted in mass arrests and criminal prosecution. In 2012, Muslims protesting in central Sydney against Innocence of Muslims, an anti-Islam film trailer, resulted in rioting."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Australia#Lebanese_Muslims [wikipedia.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeFe8kj70ac [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @10:54AM
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/security-guard-cannot-account-for-missing-11-minutes-with-girl-at-dfo-homebush-court-20161222-gtgpiq.html [smh.com.au]
Mohammad Hassan Al-Bayati appeared in Campbelltown Local Court on Thursday charged with committing an act of indecency towards the girl at the DFO Homebush shopping centre on Sunday.
Cameras from inside DFO Homebush allegedly show Mr Al-Bayati then walked down one of the centre's corridors and into a locked fire exit stairwell.
There were no cameras inside the stairwell, where Mr Al-Bayati and the girl remained for 11 minutes.
It is here police allege Mr Al-Bayati exposed himself to the girl and performed an indecent act in what prosecutors described as an "opportunistic attack"
"The child made disclosures about an act of indecency and stated that she was 'taken by a policeman' who was going to take her to her mum," police documents before the court state.
Mr Al-Bayati was arrested and charged on Wednesday where he gave an interview with police where he admitted that he did breach the centre protocol by finding a lost child and taking her down the secluded corridor.
But he denied allegations that he had performed an indecent act or exposed himself to the girl.
"The accused could not provide investigators with any explanations for the unaccounted 11 minutes inside the stairwell with the child," police documents stated.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Wednesday December 21 2016, @08:36PM
Yeah, London's gone to hell with a Muslim for mayor.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:02AM
Yes, those are generally known as extremists. They exist in all cultures. I will grant you that islam currently holds a pretty low ranking in "humanity" on a statistical basis, but every culture has its share of nutjobs. With Muslims being a rather significant percentage of humanity I think it is important to keep the distinction between violent and non-violent.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:21AM
The holy books of all religions say many things, but few even religious people take everything they say at face value. Most of the people who take what their religious books say completely literally, be they the Bible or the Quran, should be considered insane. Just as there are many denominations of Christians, there are many denominations of Muslims, and the Wahhabi sect of Islam whose doctrines you have described is like their equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church or the various protestant denominations subscribing to extreme forms of dominion theology. The majority of other Muslims have denounced it as ‘vile sect’ and a ‘Satanic faith’. The only problem is Wahhabism has gained plenty of power and influence thanks to it being the favoured sect of the House of Saud and thus it received state sponsorship in Saudi Arabia, and the Saudis have used profits from petroleum exports to try to increase its influence worldwide. No, if we stopped buying their stuff, that would put a big dent in their ability to do that. If the West stopped meddling in their affairs that would make the fundamentalist doctrines of Wahhabi Islam less appealing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:33AM
Most religious books have that stuff in them (for instance, the bible is full of it).
If people act on it depends on circumstances.
You can deny oil use and western policies have anything to do with it, but that would not solve the problems we have with islam atm.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:12AM
Ideas?
1. Kill them all
2. Move them all to a single country to be contained forever (WIRM)
3. Kill most of them
4. Stop halal certification scams
5. Stop recognising islam as a religion
6. Classify islam as a terrorist organisation with clear intent, funds, man power and will to do so. Respond accordingly.
7. Ask islamists nicely to stop killing everyone else in the name of their god
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:57PM
> they have a religious 'drive' to conquer the whole world.
>
> most americans fail to see this and they deny deny deny it. they think that 'our meddling' is the cause of it.
Exactly! As the Quran says:
“And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.'” - Mark 16:15-16
“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” - Matthew 24:14 NKJV
And what about those that are sinners?
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves - Numbers 31:17-18
And let us not forget how the Quran deals with unruly children:
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Duteronemy 21:18-21
And what if someone mentions other faiths?
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again. - Duteronemy 13
At least I swear that was the Quran, I always get my fairy tales mixed up.
(Score: 2) by Username on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:13AM
We cannot never stop using petroleum, but we can start supporting domestic or allied sources instead of islamic sources.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:56PM
It won't matter. Either way you pay the halal tax which feeds the mosques which generates the muslim jihadies
Try again?
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday December 20 2016, @11:46AM
Why? To radicalise the moderates, of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAqIFtlH_hA [youtube.com]
Clip is from Four Lions, a (very) dark comedy about a bunch of inept wannabe jihadi terrorists. A brilliant film for so many reasons. If nothing else, it helps deflate the image of these twats as unstoppable supervillains, and shows them up for the fallible, farcical human beings they really are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:25PM
Run a search on any random video hosting site for "jihadi fail" or the like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kQ8E9BB97Q [youtube.com]
(No login required yet, so enjoy some stupid music and jihadist idiots ungraphically disappearing in explosions they caused.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:56PM
The best thing I can think of for the rest of the world to do about Islam is to stop using petroleum entirely. It removes the only reason for the rest of the world to meddle in their affairs,
Seems to work out for Pakistan just fine? Or Afghanistan? Right... UK and France wanted to draw borders in the sand, and now there are problems.
It's not about meddling in local affairs anymore. And it's not even about Islam anymore (and their need for Reformation). What we see today is crazy people that want to have their 5 minutes of fame, and it's sadly working. The 24h news cycle, and now the 10-second twitter/facebook message cycle is what is fueling quite a sizable proportion of this crap.
So what do you do about it? Censor ourselves? Seems like a good way of moving forward. The world doesn't stop, and is definitely not affected by relatively minor, local events like these. What is affected is our perception of the world and only we can fix that.
Extremists are always a problem and always will be. The problem is with extremists that have influence and that get societies to follow them. And that problem is sadly not that remote anymore mostly because of "newsworthy"