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A lorry has ploughed into a busy Christmas market in the heart of Berlin, killing nine people and injuring many more, police say. Police say they suspect it was a deliberate attack. Video shows stalls knocked over and people lying injured. A suspicious person has been arrested nearby, while a passenger was found dead, police say. The market is at Breitscheidplatz, close to the Kurfuerstendamm, the main shopping street in the city's west. Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman, Steffen Seibert, tweeted to say: "We are in mourning for the dead and hope that the many injured can get help."
There are now reports from local police that 12 people have been confirmed killed in the attack.
https://twitter.com/polizeiberlin/status/810940347006197760
A man stormed into a Zurich mosque on Monday evening and opened fire on people praying, injuring three, Swiss police said.
They said they had collected evidence inside the building and would make more details available on Tuesday. They declined to comment on the potential motive.
Two of the three men -- aged 30, 35 and 56 -- were seriously injured in the attack shortly after 5:30 p.m. local time (1630 GMT) near the main train station in Switzerland's financial capital, Zurich police said.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:07AM
I'm so glad that in 2016 people crash trucks into other people out enjoying themselves over the writings of an ancient, insane, child raping camel jockey.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:06AM
US and Nato, attacking Iraq in the name of God, destabilising Syria - the gift that keeps giving...
Capitalism, allowing huge fishing fleets from Europe to empty African fishing grounds - the gift that keeps giving (to us, not to the Africans, obviously)
Developed nations - the gift that keeps giving CO2, keeping us all snug and warm in the long run
I think we have worse problems in our world than an asshole every couple of months killing some people and claiming it was supposed to promote a "religion" of "devotion and love". I'm not defending any lunatic terrorists, but once again the main-suspect was a known petty-criminal, not a devoted deciple. Let's stop dignifying such disgusting acts as some kind of religious culture-clash or overture of some doomsday dark age.
Btw: I'm working in Berlin, right now passing by the area where it happened. If I considered Berlin a terror-war-zone I'd have the same reason to be scared as anyone else here. I don't and I'm not. I hope the rest of my fellow citizens stay level-headed as well!
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(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:33AM
"the main-suspect was a known petty-criminal"
The word you are looking for is "refugee", I believe.
(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:16AM
To my line of argument it does not matter if he was a refugee or not. For a credible religious lunatic, I expect he follows the rules of his religion, which means: No alcohol, no theft, no other drugs etc. Only the no-killing part is omitted because of this "war"-thing in "holy war". I can't find the link anymore, but yesterday evening I read that this guy was a police-known petty-criminal.
We (as in USA, EU and associates) are destabilizing the middle-east for decades. We (as in especially Germany) deliver weapons to autocratic regimes and cause a lot of mayhem in many little and bigger ways. It is no surprise to me that people growing up in those regions tend to be a bit biases against "our" culture, and maybe a bit frustrated. Probably the more they learn about politics, the more frustrated they get, and at some point the frustration will in some cases exceed the gratitude of some refugees to be allowed into our land after we orchestrated the destruction of theirs. I just think that religion is the crystallization-point for all the anger, not the cause.
I'm not justifying the attacks; I didn't harm anyone in those regions, neither did my son or my wife, and people living here should try to make their living here. I'm also not convinced it would be justified to just pull out of that region immediately. I'm just saying if we stop messing up their countries, maybe we wouldn't have so many refugees coming here, and maybe those who do come here would be less inclined to do any attacks.
Of course, there is a distinct possibility that if those countries aligned in peace and collaborated among each other, oil prices would be uncomfortably higher for us...
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:31AM
I tossed the refugee in there, because one of the articles I read stated that he was a known petty criminal, AND a refugee.
I don't know if this will help your thinking - but Islam separates the world into two distinct and separate parts. Dar al Islam is the House of Submission. Dar al Haarb is the House of War. If you don't live in, if you aren't part of Islam, then you are of the House of War.
https://sites.google.com/site/muslimdeception/dar-al-harb [google.com]
Each and every person has their own story to tell about their involvement in this huge war. All those stories are very human. But, bottom line, Islam stands against all the rest of the world. Islam isn't so very different from old England, or any of the rest of the old European aristocracy - except that Islam's priests rule Islam instead of an aristocracy. Or, maybe the priests are the aristocracy?
Anyway - back to the refugees. The refugees are predominantly military aged males, who have left their families back at home, to deal with the war. They aren't really refugees, at all. They are on a mission to subvert Europe, and to subvert Western culture. The term "refugee" can only be used sarcastically, in most cases.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:25AM
You do realize that the transit to Europe is quite dangerous and can only be achieved illegally, while once you are here and are accepted as a refugee you are permitted to get your family here as well? Like, if you can't pay the human traffickers they will sell your body parts to reimburse their expenses? Hungary partially coming down violently on potential refugees? You realize, maybe, that many of the Syrian refugees are actually Christians? Well, probably you didn't. Otherwise it would be obvious, why they do not send children and young women here.
Once they are here, they to apply for them to be allowed here as well, but probably this is also prove again that they want to overrun our country by deviously coming in smaller numbers and increasing the number later by abusing their right for family reunion :-)
There are a lot of problems, among the refugees as well as between the refugees and locals. There is harassment from Islam refugees against Christian ones (especially targeted at converts). There are cultural differences, and especially women are probably not permitted by their family to make the necessary effort to integrate (learn German, study, etc.). There are probably many men having difficulties adjusting to a society where women can be in a position of power, and where they have to obey women in some cases. There are lots of frustrated young men who probably used to be king of the hill back home and are now not even able to communicate enough to buy a packet of cigarettes. I would be happy if Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. could be considered safe and there wouldn't be any reason for anyone to seek for asylum here. But it's not the case, and our politics is one of the root-causes.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:49PM
It still looks like a flood of muslims is invading Europe
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:57PM
What does this have to do with the question whether he was a refugee?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @10:24PM
There are none so blind as those who will not see. The man was a refugee. He was brought into the country as a refugee, with all his paperwork in order to establish that status. The article stated as much . A refugee - who turned on his benefactors. The dog that bites the hand that feeds him. Are you getting it now?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/745447/Asylum-seeker-migrant-arrested-Berlin-lorry-terror-attack [express.co.uk]
Alright - updated article here, seems to suggest they got the wrong attacker. But it explains quite well that the refugee status of the attacker is important.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/who-naved-b-pakistani-refugee-9488870 [mirror.co.uk]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:58PM
That is complete BS.
Muslims drink.
Muslims smoke.
What utter crap.
(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:08PM
That is complete BS.
Some Muslims drink (and are punished by other Muslims).
Some Muslims smoke (and are punished by other Muslims).
What utter crap.
The only common denominator all Muslims share is that they are Muslims. They are not all violent, nor all strong believers. We had a Muslim Au-Pair in our house that loved eating our Pizza (in spite of the bacon and the pork salami), and virtually never covered her hair.
If we had millions of determined religious fanatic warriors in Germany, I think we would notice.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @02:02AM
You don't notice the people driving trucks through crowded areas? Molesting children at public swimming pools? Assaults with weapons on public transport? Sexual assault by large groups of men in public places?
You must be blind.
Or muslim.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:43PM
You certainly believe wrongly. The two words have very different meaning. In particular, there are many petty-criminals who are not refugees, and there are many refugees who are not petty-criminals.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:58PM
Go back, and try READING the conversation to which you are attempting to respond. You can't just reach into /dev/random and pull something out, hoping it fits into the coversation. And, no, /dev/urandom doesn't work any better.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:33PM
Did you just call Hillary Clinton [telegraph.co.uk] a god?
(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:59PM
No, I was talking about Bushs [theguardian.com] holy war...
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