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posted by n1 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:22AM   Printer-friendly

BBC reports:

A lorry has ploughed into a busy Christmas market in the heart of Berlin, killing nine people and injuring many more, police say. Police say they suspect it was a deliberate attack. Video shows stalls knocked over and people lying injured. A suspicious person has been arrested nearby, while a passenger was found dead, police say. The market is at Breitscheidplatz, close to the Kurfuerstendamm, the main shopping street in the city's west. Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman, Steffen Seibert, tweeted to say: "We are in mourning for the dead and hope that the many injured can get help."

There are now reports from local police that 12 people have been confirmed killed in the attack.

https://twitter.com/polizeiberlin/status/810940347006197760


Reuters reports:

A man stormed into a Zurich mosque on Monday evening and opened fire on people praying, injuring three, Swiss police said.

They said they had collected evidence inside the building and would make more details available on Tuesday. They declined to comment on the potential motive.

Two of the three men -- aged 30, 35 and 56 -- were seriously injured in the attack shortly after 5:30 p.m. local time (1630 GMT) near the main train station in Switzerland's financial capital, Zurich police said.


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by aristarchus on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:31AM

    by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:31AM (#443562) Journal

    If I may ask, why were these two news items combined? Both involving violence in Europe? Hardly significant enough to justify conjoining. Or are we playing into the "War On Terra"? We even have the accusation of the attack on a mosque being done by muslims? Pretty obvious to me that it is alt-right types, in the European sense of alt (old)-right. But more likely to have been Menucians. Let us not use the deaths of innocents for political ends, it is unseemly.

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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:40AM

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:40AM (#443567) Journal

    There really is no reason not to combine the stories, and it has nothing to do with the alt-right:

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/international/2016/12/day_of_deadly_violence_casts_dark_cloud_on_holiday_week [bostonherald.com]

    The world is on edge today over the threat of new copycat attacks on holiday targets, after a truck plowed into revelers at a Christmas market in Germany last night in what is being viewed as an act of terrorism.

    The semitrailer that rammed through one of Berlin’s storied Christmas displays outside a church capped a bloody day of horror across Europe and the Middle East, after an off-duty Turkish cop assassinated the Russian ambassador in Ankara as cameras rolled, and a suspect dressed in black opened fire into a mosque with praying worshippers in Zurich, Switzerland, wounding three.

    I submitted just the truck part and when I saw a similar article in Google News I suggested to my fellow editors to throw the Zurich attack in.

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:29AM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:29AM (#443581) Journal

      That kind of my point: not similar? What is next, Robot Santa from Futurama? Less editorial presumption, please.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:35AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:35AM (#443602)

        That post, from a presumptuous bitch?

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by jIyajbe on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:02AM

    by jIyajbe (5615) on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:02AM (#443574)

    Give me access to all of the major newspapers on the planet on any given day, allow me to pick and choose which stories of murders to report, and which stories to ignore, and I will advance any political narrative you wish advanced.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:56PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:56PM (#443768)

      Let's see you explain away yet another muslim driving a van through a crowd of people

  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:36AM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:36AM (#443584) Journal

    is the insignificant portion of this discussion

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by aristarchus on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:39AM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:39AM (#443585) Journal

      Fuck you, Runaway! I recently found out that you are a perpetrator of stolen valor! You never served in the United States Military, least of all in the Navy! You are a racist Trump supporter, and I do not like you! Also, you are not too smart. Do you think that the terrorists are coming after you? Well, do ya?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:06AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:06AM (#443590)

        This right here is why I make a point of fucking your mother regularly. Up the pooper.

        Also, I put a bag on her head because she's just as ugly as you. Seriously, do everybody a favor and wear a mask over that ugly mug.

      • (Score: 3, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:13AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:13AM (#443592) Journal

        My question is, have you ever spoken the truth in your life? You know shit about me, or what I have done, or not done. Of all the stolen valor cases I have ever seen, the wannabe fuckwads claim to be Navy Seals, or Recon Rangers, or Airborne. Stolen valor cases never claim to be fucking DESTROYER MEN!! We, the unsung heros, who place our own bodies in the line of fire, to ensure that the glamor boys aboard the carriers aren't hurt. No one wants to be like us. Find us just one stolen valor case, in which the false serviceman claims to be a nobody from a destroyer. "I was a supply clerk on a little dinky destroyer!" Or, "I was a gunner's mate aboard a destroyer with a little 3 inch gun." Or, "I kept the fires lit in a destroyer's boilers!" Stolen valor. Get a fucking clue you idiot. I am a destroyer man, and no one in the world gives a fuck about destroyermen.

        As for liking me? I'm certainly glad that you don't like me. If you did like me, I would start doubting my own judgement.

        Terrorists coming for me? You mean again? Been there, done that. Not all of us are pampered, sheltered, spoiled children, ya weenie.

        Back to your first question - what is the relationship between these two stories? ISLAM!! It has been a day of terror in Europe. Did you notice the OTHER terrorist shot the Russian envoy to Turkey today? ISLAM!! Deist motherfuckers who won't tolerate you not worshipping their vision of God. THAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP!!

        It isn't clear yet whether a Muzzie shot up the mosque in Switzerland. But, that mosque has been in the news, and it has been criticized by public officials for permitting Muslim kids to be "radicalized". The thing is, a moderate Muslim is a radical mofo anywhere outside of Islam.

        Wake up and smell the coffee - Islam is an existential threat to all ways of life that are not MUSLIM!

        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:29AM

          by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:29AM (#443619) Journal

          So, you're scared? And yeah, Navy, huh. What destroyer? What time frame? Why are you so afraid?

          • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:43AM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:43AM (#443630) Journal

            Fear? You have never feared anything? You have no fear in your life? Then you must be a gullible fool. There is plenty to fear in this world. I went out and met some of the bad guys that you should fear.

            1977 to 1979
            http://www.destroyerhistory.org/assets/coldwar/ddg023richardebyrd_01.jpg [destroyerhistory.org]

            1980 to 1983
            http://www.navsource.org/archives/06/images/06021049/0602104926.jpg [navsource.org]

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:44AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:44AM (#443660)
              I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @11:55AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @11:55AM (#443703)

              He's just mad because he's had many guys on the docks destroying his backside.

              Aristarchus is pretty much the epitome of syphilitic crackwhore.

            • (Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:12PM

              by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:12PM (#443711) Journal

              Anyone else notice that Aristarchus' comments in this thread seem a little out of character? His posts are normally a lot more verbose, with better language skills and of course that whole "I'm posting from a Mediterranean island a few thousand years ago" schtick.

              Runaway, you should consider the possibility that your chain is being yanked here by an imposter. Maybe someone stole A's password?

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:59PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:59PM (#443772)

            Show some respect for someone who put their life and limb on the line for their country.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:41PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:41PM (#443799)

              Show some respect for someone who put their life and limb on the line for their country.

              Citation needed. When's the last time our military was actually used for the good of our country and not as some rich men's toy soldiers?

            • (Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:26PM

              by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:26PM (#443949) Journal

              Do you have any reason to believe that such a racist blowhard have ever served at all? Certainly never took advantage of any veteran's educational benefits.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @11:41AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @11:41AM (#443698)

          Islam is an existential threat to all ways of life that are not MUSLIM!

          Have you considered the possibility that the jews might be causing this war? They have everything to gain from another war. West and the Middle East has nothing to gain from it. WW2, and they got their own country after murdering the locals there. WW3, and they plan to occupy the entire M.E. You are being played. The enemy of humanity and peace is the jew.

          jews bring horror.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:48PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:48PM (#443758) Journal

            So, let me get this straight. Muslims kill Muslims because - Jews. Yeah, it makes sense. If I get falling down drunk on wood alcohol and antifreeze cocktails, it makes sense.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:28PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:28PM (#443862)

              The jews have this planned for a long time. Check out David Icke's channel on Youtube to open your eyes. The jews are playing this game using bloodline families. It is truly eye-opening.

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:57PM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:57PM (#443880) Journal

                Among the list of incredible sources listed on this site, David Icke ranks highly. I gotta look him up againt, to be sure which conspiracy theorist you are talking about -

                Okay, I didn't have him pegged precisely. This is the guy who believes in the lizard people, literally. We've gone over the lizard people a time or two. Rational people take that concept figuratively, icke takes it literally. I prefer my conspiracy theory nuts to be fundamentalist Christians, if we're going this far out in whack-field. At least they have cool demons and stuff, rather than an alien race of lizards.

                The Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Holy fek. Published in Russia, in Russian. No evidence exists that the work existed before about 1900, in any language. Since when did the purported Elders adopt the Russian language as their own?

                David Icke. Pronounce his last name as icky, and the name accurately protrays his mind. He obviously took to many hits to the head while playing football.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @02:18AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @02:18AM (#444580)

                Jews? Who gives a damn? Except for muslims who want to wipe them out.
                There are what, a few million jews? Who cares?
                What happens if a community has a high percentage of jews? Not much. You would be hard pressed to notice. Perhaps you might see some more bar or bat mitzvah ceremonies going on. Whoop de do.
                What happens if there is a high percentage of muslims in a community? Property destruction. Riots. Fighting in the streets. People dying. Laws being changed to 'protect' the 'minorities'. Forced taxing of non-muslims starting with halal certification.
                See the difference?
                You can see this happening in Europe today. Just read the newspapers. Watch the videos on youtube.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2016, @06:42AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2016, @06:42AM (#444231)

          > Wake up and smell the coffee - Islam is an existential threat to all ways of life that are not MUSLIM!

          Nah, islam is just an existential threat to cowards who constantly cry wolf.
          If islam were really such a threat you'd already be dead. What with there being 1.8 billion of them and they've been around for centuries.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 21 2016, @10:00AM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 21 2016, @10:00AM (#444273) Journal

            Islam and Christianity had similar goals when they were established. The difference is - Christians saw the need to spread the word. For only part of their history did they see a need to spread the word at the point of a sword. Islam was all about the sword from it's inception, and nothing has changed since then. More, Islam demands that infidels be killed, or enslaved. Only the "children of the book" are permitted to live, and then only if they pay the proper tributes/taxes.

            Islam controlled half of Europe in the past (partly due to the Catholic Church permitting them to do so). They'll do it again if you're not smart enough to learn from history.

            Everything that western society believes in, is anathema to Islam. Gay rights, women's rights, democracy, voting, capitalism, everything.

            Cry wolf? The god damned wolf is at the door, scratching and pawing at the rotten lumber of which the door is made.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @12:36AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @12:36AM (#444541)

              My God! Mein Gott! Allah forgive you! You really understand very little.

              More, Islam demands that infidels be killed, or enslaved.

              Do you have any idea what an "infidel" is? It is not a "non-believer".

              Islam controlled half of Europe in the past (partly due to the Catholic Church permitting them to do so).

              Half? Seriously? Question: How exactly do you define Europe? Because part of Iberia and most of the Balkans does not even come close. Oh, you are American, and so "geographically challenged", not to mention "historically impaired"! Runaway, you should just convert right now and save yourself all the fear and paranoia. It's easy, you only have to say "There is but one God, and Mohammed is his prophet." With feeling.

              • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 22 2016, @01:13AM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 22 2016, @01:13AM (#444552) Journal

                I have little idea what your first language is, so I'll help you out a little:

                in·fi·del
                ˈinfədl,ˈinfəˌdel/
                nounarchaic
                noun: infidel; plural noun: infidels; plural noun: the infidel

                        1.
                        a person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own.
                        "they wanted to secure the Holy Places from the infidel"
                        synonyms: unbeliever, disbeliever, nonbeliever, agnostic, atheist; More
                        heathen, pagan, idolater, heretic, freethinker, dissenter, nonconformist;
                        archaicpaynim;
                        rarenullifidian
                        "a holy war against the infidels"

                adjective
                adjective: infidel

                        1.
                        adhering to a religion other than one's own.
                        "the infidel foe"

                Origin
                late 15th century: from French infidèle or Latin infidelis, from in- ‘not’ + fidelis ‘faithful’ (from fides ‘faith,’ related to fidere ‘to trust’). The word originally denoted a person of a religion other than one's own, specifically a Muslim (to a Christian), a Christian (to a Muslim), or a Gentile (to a Jew).
                Translate infidel to
                Use over time for: infidel

                So - the Battle of Tours was somewhere in Iberia, or in the Balkans? Somehow, I was convinced that Tours is pretty far north, in western Europe. Let me take a look at a map again . . .

                https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tours,+France/@40.0543013,-19.3398753,4.75z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47fcd5b34a979a55:0x40dc8d705388430!8m2!3d47.394144!4d0.68484 [google.com]

                I'm geographically challenged, being an American, but Tours appears to me, to be just north-west of modern day central France. And, Tours wasn't the absolute extent of Muslim rule, either. Tours is the place where the deciding battle was fought, from which European Christians drove the Moslems out of Europe.

                So - come back at me - which of us is challenged? Did you miss your history courses? I'm not going to quibble over the percentage of Europe that Islam controlled. The map makes it obvious that they were much further north and west than just Iberia and the Balkans. I guesstimate that they controlled half of Europe. If you wish to make a more accurate calculation, go right ahead.

                I did mention the Catholic Church. I know that Islam was given the go-ahead by the Church to invade parts of Europe. That was because the Church would rather see people under Islamic control, than free to practice Protestant faiths. That is, Europe was betrayed by the Catholic Church, and masses of people were sacrificed to the Islamic sword.

                Hit your history books. I remind you that history repeats itself, very often. You are being invaded today, and you're to blind to see that.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @02:13AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @02:13AM (#444578)

                Allah is a petty sun god promoted to prominence when the rest of the idols of the gods were thrown out of the temple. He is but a minor deity in a constellation of gods worshiped at the time. A small god.

                By historical records and by facts still quoted today Mohammed was a pedophile, rapist, murderer, slaver, and thief who existed only to fornicate as much as possible. By saying that this is the most prominent and respected person in islam you are saying very much about what islam is and what its believes actually believe in.