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Bridging the gap between left and right. I came across this clip showing Glenn Beck and Samantha Bee, and thought that this SoylentNews story / comment thread should be stickied till the new year so we have an ongoing conversation. It's a short clip from her show where Glenn Beck is a willing guest; the key point is they are trying to find common ground. Beck points out that Bee is following some of his own patterns of crying "catastrophe" but they really don't provide much insight beyond the significance of their little coming together moment.
The divide is clear and present on this site as most everywhere else, I would like to see a meta discussion where we fact check each other and drill down through the rhetoric until we get some straightforward lists and proposals on how we can move forward together. What are the fundamental blockers? Which ideas do we consider to be too outrageous for credibility? Many here are guilty of attacking each other — can we try and Spock it out for about a week?
I'll start us off with my supposition:
Climate change is real and human activity has an important effect on it. We must agree on this point in order to move forward, and social/economic issues must be handled after needed environmental changes."
If you post as AC — try and behave as if you were logged in — reduce the flames for better quality discussion.
(Score: 2) by BK on Friday December 23 2016, @10:40PM
Clearly stasis is the only reasonable option. If we accept the supposition:
Then social and economic issues like concern for others and basic decency would have to come after said stasis is actually achieved. Anything else would be a crime against the environment.
...but you HAVE heard of me.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday December 23 2016, @10:55PM
Neither of your stated examples are social or economic issues. Unless you plan on legislating not only how people must act but how they must feel. Which progressives do, so I suppose that's fair.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Touché) by BK on Friday December 23 2016, @11:06PM
Making my point. Also, the supposition spoke to issues being 'handled', not legislated. Legislation is but one way to handle something...
...but you HAVE heard of me.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday December 23 2016, @11:35PM
Oh, you think there's another way to get people who vehemently disagree with your basic premises to go along with what you think is best? How's that been working out for you lately?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Zz9zZ on Saturday December 24 2016, @12:56AM
I don't see stasis as the end goal. The environment is the primary concern because once the water table is polluted, once the topsoil is gone, and if the oceans have a massive dying off as predicted then our vaunted human society will crumble and we'll have to build back up from rubble. I would personally like to skip the crumbling and rebuilding phase and start with building solutions (be they social changes, infrastructure changes, or whatever).
There is no reason we can't have basic decency while taking care of the environment, in fact they often go together. Be decent to the planet and you're likely to be decent to humans as well, we are part of the same system after all.
~Tilting at windmills~
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 24 2016, @01:08AM
Being decent to other people means entirely different and conflicting things to progressives vs. everyone else on the planet.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2016, @01:39AM
Well given how conservatives have treated people I would say it goes both ways. I guess you missed the idea of this entire article.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 24 2016, @01:59AM
And I'd say that you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not going to go off into a pointless, tangent, your-team/my-team argument though. Especially since my team consists of neither group.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2016, @06:32PM
Except you already started it. "Blahblahblah progressive nazis blahblahblah."