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Bridging the gap between left and right. I came across this clip showing Glenn Beck and Samantha Bee, and thought that this SoylentNews story / comment thread should be stickied till the new year so we have an ongoing conversation. It's a short clip from her show where Glenn Beck is a willing guest; the key point is they are trying to find common ground. Beck points out that Bee is following some of his own patterns of crying "catastrophe" but they really don't provide much insight beyond the significance of their little coming together moment.
The divide is clear and present on this site as most everywhere else, I would like to see a meta discussion where we fact check each other and drill down through the rhetoric until we get some straightforward lists and proposals on how we can move forward together. What are the fundamental blockers? Which ideas do we consider to be too outrageous for credibility? Many here are guilty of attacking each other — can we try and Spock it out for about a week?
I'll start us off with my supposition:
Climate change is real and human activity has an important effect on it. We must agree on this point in order to move forward, and social/economic issues must be handled after needed environmental changes."
If you post as AC — try and behave as if you were logged in — reduce the flames for better quality discussion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2016, @12:14AM
The issue of climate change is not whether it will make the world uninhabitable; most likely it won't. The coastlines where hundreds of millions of people now live, however, may be underwater, for starters. Armies of invasive species with sizes ranging from microorganisms to those much larger than man may be rampant, as more of the world's temperate zones increasingly resemble the Amazon basin. The severity of the worst hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, and floods may increase, although this last part has admittedly not been proven.
Many of the residents of the developed world are fairly sedentary and spend much our time in climate-controlled environments. We do, however, have the option of getting out into nature, at least on weekends and vacation days, and during mornings and evenings during warmer months. Future generations would have a right to be pretty pissed off at our mismanagement if we don't preserve that option for them.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday December 24 2016, @08:07AM
Many of the residents of the developed world are fairly sedentary and spend much our time in climate-controlled environments.
But you would need to be really, really sedentary not to be able to outrun a climate effect that moves at its theoretical fastest at the rate of meters per decade.
Future generations would have a right to be pretty pissed off at our mismanagement if we don't preserve that option for them.
The world wasn't created perfect. They will have to adapt to an imperfect world just like the rest of us no matter how virtuously we mismanage the current situation. But I can't help but notice, once again, a poster treating climate change as if it were the only problem that humanity has (well, that and sedentary people I suppose). It does no good for future humanity to make big problems worse in order to fix a minor problem.