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posted by janrinok on Friday December 23 2016, @10:10PM   Printer-friendly
from the pause-for-thought dept.

Bridging the gap between left and right. I came across this clip showing Glenn Beck and Samantha Bee, and thought that this SoylentNews story / comment thread should be stickied till the new year so we have an ongoing conversation. It's a short clip from her show where Glenn Beck is a willing guest; the key point is they are trying to find common ground. Beck points out that Bee is following some of his own patterns of crying "catastrophe" but they really don't provide much insight beyond the significance of their little coming together moment.

The divide is clear and present on this site as most everywhere else, I would like to see a meta discussion where we fact check each other and drill down through the rhetoric until we get some straightforward lists and proposals on how we can move forward together. What are the fundamental blockers? Which ideas do we consider to be too outrageous for credibility? Many here are guilty of attacking each other — can we try and Spock it out for about a week?

I'll start us off with my supposition:

Climate change is real and human activity has an important effect on it. We must agree on this point in order to move forward, and social/economic issues must be handled after needed environmental changes."

If you post as AC — try and behave as if you were logged in — reduce the flames for better quality discussion.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2016, @12:28AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2016, @12:28AM (#445311)

    You're the only one so far that mentioned the runaway effect. That (the runaway effect) is the tipping point where it will be past the point of no return, human intervention will no longer have an effect on reversing global warming. The big question is... Have we reached that point yet? and... How far will it go? The runaway effect could turn Earth into another Venus, or possibly another Pluto... hot as hell or frozen solid.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2016, @12:50AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2016, @12:50AM (#445320)

    Venus is hot because the atmosphere is 60 km thick and the pressure at the surface is 90 x that of Earth. I have never been able to get an explanation, where the is all that gas supposed to come from?

    • (Score: 2) by WalksOnDirt on Saturday December 24 2016, @03:20AM

      by WalksOnDirt (5854) on Saturday December 24 2016, @03:20AM (#445382) Journal

      It would come from the decomposition of calcium carbonate (and some other minerals), which is quite plentiful on Earth. It's not going to happen any time soon, though.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2016, @04:01AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2016, @04:01AM (#445394)

        So the runaway greenhouse effect requires ~0.05% of the Earth's crust to vaporize*?

        * assuming mass of atmosphere is ~5e18 kg and mass of the crust is ~2.5e22 kg.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2016, @04:05AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2016, @04:05AM (#445396)

          Sorry, should be ~2%.

        • (Score: 2) by WalksOnDirt on Sunday December 25 2016, @11:49AM

          by WalksOnDirt (5854) on Sunday December 25 2016, @11:49AM (#445770) Journal

          No, there are other processes that can cause that. Still, it should take over 100 million years. I did say "not soon".