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posted by janrinok on Friday December 23 2016, @10:10PM   Printer-friendly
from the pause-for-thought dept.

Bridging the gap between left and right. I came across this clip showing Glenn Beck and Samantha Bee, and thought that this SoylentNews story / comment thread should be stickied till the new year so we have an ongoing conversation. It's a short clip from her show where Glenn Beck is a willing guest; the key point is they are trying to find common ground. Beck points out that Bee is following some of his own patterns of crying "catastrophe" but they really don't provide much insight beyond the significance of their little coming together moment.

The divide is clear and present on this site as most everywhere else, I would like to see a meta discussion where we fact check each other and drill down through the rhetoric until we get some straightforward lists and proposals on how we can move forward together. What are the fundamental blockers? Which ideas do we consider to be too outrageous for credibility? Many here are guilty of attacking each other — can we try and Spock it out for about a week?

I'll start us off with my supposition:

Climate change is real and human activity has an important effect on it. We must agree on this point in order to move forward, and social/economic issues must be handled after needed environmental changes."

If you post as AC — try and behave as if you were logged in — reduce the flames for better quality discussion.


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday December 24 2016, @06:30AM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 24 2016, @06:30AM (#445456) Journal

    Gobal warming adds more energy to the system, making more places insane to live in. Fort McMurry mentioned in the article is about 58 degrees north. Do you expect us all to move north of the Arctic (or south of the Antarctic) circle?

    And so what? Extreme weather is not that big a deal for wealthy societies! The fossil fuel processes that allegedly contribute to an increase in extreme weather also contribute to making societies wealthy and far more capable of dealing with the harm of extreme weather.

  • (Score: 2) by tathra on Saturday December 24 2016, @05:53PM

    by tathra (3367) on Saturday December 24 2016, @05:53PM (#445594)

    Extreme weather is not that big a deal for wealthy societies!

    the billions in repair costs, maintenance, hospital bills, portable generators, etc, certainly are a big deal. tax increases will be necessary in order to have the funds to cover all those costs, are you fine with that? and thats not even covering the human costs (lost manhours at work, misery and grieving for those killed, riots and looting, etc) that come along with it, especially if the money to effect repairs and keep society stable in the meantime isnt there.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday December 24 2016, @11:57PM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 24 2016, @11:57PM (#445685) Journal

      the billions in repair costs, maintenance, hospital bills, portable generators, etc, certainly are a big deal.

      That is pocket change to a developed world country. And note that hospital bills are much lower than in a country that is completely unprepared for extreme weather.

      tax increases will be necessary in order to have the funds to cover all those costs, are you fine with that?

      Again, keep in mind just how little extreme weather actually costs.