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Bridging the gap between left and right. I came across this clip showing Glenn Beck and Samantha Bee, and thought that this SoylentNews story / comment thread should be stickied till the new year so we have an ongoing conversation. It's a short clip from her show where Glenn Beck is a willing guest; the key point is they are trying to find common ground. Beck points out that Bee is following some of his own patterns of crying "catastrophe" but they really don't provide much insight beyond the significance of their little coming together moment.
The divide is clear and present on this site as most everywhere else, I would like to see a meta discussion where we fact check each other and drill down through the rhetoric until we get some straightforward lists and proposals on how we can move forward together. What are the fundamental blockers? Which ideas do we consider to be too outrageous for credibility? Many here are guilty of attacking each other — can we try and Spock it out for about a week?
I'll start us off with my supposition:
Climate change is real and human activity has an important effect on it. We must agree on this point in order to move forward, and social/economic issues must be handled after needed environmental changes."
If you post as AC — try and behave as if you were logged in — reduce the flames for better quality discussion.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Saturday December 24 2016, @06:35AM
While the temperature variation may seem minor now, that may not be true if it ruins the ecology of areas we rely on for agriculture, housing, or industry in ways that might otherwise be preventable.
Maybe we ought to fix those problems then? We're pumping huge amounts of water out of slow replacement aquifers? Blame climate change! Using bad agricultural practices? Blame climate change! Corrupt governments creating hordes of starving people who in turn make more starving people? Definitely climate change!
Maybe instead of pushing our attention obsessively to mild problems like climate change, we try to fix the big problems? I see several posts in this thread which are focused on fixing climate change without regard for all the other problems out there. Sure, yes, we can fix numerous problems at one time. But that requires actually looking at multiple problems at one time rather than focusing on the one thing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2016, @06:03PM
Big problems are often fixed by addressing all the little problems that make them up. Global warming is one of those things.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday December 25 2016, @12:04AM
Big problems are often fixed by addressing all the little problems that make them up.
Nice platitude, but I don't see you delivering on that.
Global warming is one of those things.
Unless of course, fixing global warming makes the big problems worse. We should look at the remarkable cost and the lack of usefulness of efforts to fix that.
And once again, you aren't speaking of fixing any other problem, big or small.