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posted by on Wednesday January 04 2017, @03:34PM   Printer-friendly
from the dirk-gently dept.

The mathematician Leo Moser posed in 1966 the following curious mathematical problem: what is the shape of largest area in the plane that can be moved around a right-angled corner in a two-dimensional hallway of width 1? This question became known as the moving sofa problem, and is still unsolved fifty years after it was first asked.

To understand what makes this question tricky, let's think what kind of "sofa" shapes we can construct that can move around a corner. How about a unit square?

Well, a unit square only has area 1; surely we can do better? For example, a semicircle with radius 1 is another simple example that works.

The semicircular sofa has a larger area than the square one, ᴨ/2 (approximately 1.57). It is also more interesting, because in order to move around the corner it rotates, whereas the square sofa merely translates. Now, if only we could combine rotation and translation, maybe we could construct an even bigger sofa shape? Indeed, the mathematician John Hammersley noticed that if the semicircle is cut into two quarter-circles, which are pulled apart and the gap between them filled with a rectangular block, we get a larger sofa shape, which could be moved around the corner if only a smaller semicircular hole is also removed from the rectangular block. Here is the resulting shape, that is starting to look a bit more like an actual sofa.

The shapes involved are interesting. Not really sofa shaped, but then theory is rarely like reality.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday January 04 2017, @04:42PM

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Wednesday January 04 2017, @04:42PM (#449428) Journal

    It's a nice little problem.

    I observed that all the shapes filled the width of the hallway. If the width is reduced a little, the length could be increased. Could some sofa less than full width actually have a greater area? I suppose it was one of the first things they tried.

    Would be insightful to try more variations on the problem. For instance, if the hall has a 60 or 45 degree bend instead of a 90 degree, how much bigger can the sofa be? What if we round or chamfer that inside corner of the bend? And what of the 3rd dimension? Make the hall a square tube and ask what's the largest solid that can go around the corner? Is it simply the same as the 2D sofa x the height of the hallway (which is equal to the width), or does the 3rd dimension allow some sort of helpful tilting? If the 3D hall is taller or shorter than its width, would that change things? How about a hallway that is a round tube?

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by DECbot on Wednesday January 04 2017, @05:17PM

    by DECbot (832) on Wednesday January 04 2017, @05:17PM (#449438) Journal

    This is why mathematicians are theorists and are no help to engineering problems. If they took the plane of the sofa and rotated it 90° to the plane of the hallway, they could have an infinite surface area of the sofa so long as the length of the sofa parallel to the plane of the hallway isn't too long to not get around the corner. Now if you could invoke a bend on the sofa plane at the corner of the hallway, you're sofa can have infinite length and width. So really, all you need is to manipulate space and any sized 2d sofa will fit around that corner.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 04 2017, @07:59PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 04 2017, @07:59PM (#449493)

      So to be clear here... you have redefined the problem, provided a trivial solution to this new fatuitous problem, and then used that as the basis for saying mathematicians and theorists are not good at engineering?

      What you just did is the logical equivalent of saying, "I am 100% confident that P is not equal to NP. I mean, just look at them. One has an N in front of it and the other doesn't. Why are mathematicians and computer scientists so confused by such a basic question?"

      • (Score: 2) by DECbot on Wednesday January 04 2017, @08:40PM

        by DECbot (832) on Wednesday January 04 2017, @08:40PM (#449512) Journal

        Don't be upset that you didn't catch the loose wording of the problem. Where does it explicitly state in the summary that the 90° hallway with the width of 1 is in the same plane as the shape with the largest area? It is your assumption that they are. The problem states there is an object of undetermined size and shape on a 2-d plane. It then states there is a 2-d hallway with a width of 1. The shape passes through the hallway--there is no indication of the orientation of the plane containing the shape and the hallway. Just because the examples given assume the two are on the same plane, that doesn't mean that is the only solution.

        Anyway, this is really a problem for the physicists to tell us how much energy is needed to change the phase of the dimensional plane of the object to make it perpendicular to the plane of the hallway and give us hints on how to produce that much energy if it is beyond our conventional means and then a problem for the engineers to figure how to actually produce and deliver that much energy. So, yes, it is still an engineering problem. Given that we live and think in 3-dimensions only makes the problem look trivial. If you really wanted to pass an infinitely large area of 0 mass through that corner, you will still need infinite amounts of energy to pass it through the hallway regardless of your means of transporting the plane.

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      • (Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Thursday January 05 2017, @12:10PM

        by wonkey_monkey (279) on Thursday January 05 2017, @12:10PM (#449742) Homepage

        fatuitous

        Fatuous and fortuitous?

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    • (Score: 1) by purple_cobra on Sunday January 08 2017, @11:30AM

      by purple_cobra (1435) on Sunday January 08 2017, @11:30AM (#450998)

      So you're saying it'll only work if the sofa is designed for a spherical cow?