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posted by on Wednesday January 11 2017, @05:19PM   Printer-friendly
from the I'm-not-moving-to-Detroit dept.

General Motors has announced a new partnership with education nonprofit Girls Who Code that's intended to encourage more young women to pursue STEM subjects. The auto manufacturer will offer up a $250,000 grant to help fund after-school STEM clubs in schools, universities, and community centers.

"Becoming an engineer paved the way for my career," said GM CEO Mary Barra in a statement posted to the company's website. "It's one of the reasons I am passionate about promoting STEM education to students everywhere. Partnering with Girls Who Code is one more step in GM's commitment to inspiring and growing diverse future leaders."

[...] GM and Girls Who Code are pursuing this collaboration is [sic] response to the decreasing proportion of women in jobs related to computing, even as the field continues to grow. In 1995, 37 percent of the computing workforce was comprised of women, but today that has shrunk to 24 percent.


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  • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday January 11 2017, @06:42PM

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday January 11 2017, @06:42PM (#452620) Journal

    When I produce too few of something I generally tend to try and find the bottleneck. 24% participation rate, and shrinking, looks like a bottleneck to me.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 11 2017, @06:49PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 11 2017, @06:49PM (#452626)

    Its just moving goal posts to rationalize bigotry.

    Minorities are under-employed in technical fields.
    Response: You can't blame employers, they can hire people that don't exist.

    Employers invest in education programs intended to create more minority job candiates.
    Response: This is just reverse-bigotry. You shouldn't help the people on the bottom, you should help the people who aren't as reliably on top as they once were.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 11 2017, @06:57PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 11 2017, @06:57PM (#452631)

      Why in the world should it be the goal of a company to make more "minorities" hirable? Surely, the goal should be to make operations more profitable! The only way the former could ever cast a shadow over the latter is through indoctrination or subsidy; indoctrination never speaks as loudly as money, so the cause of all this is likely subsidy, and the only organization that could supply subsidies for such a stupid goal is the government.

      • (Score: 2) by mojo chan on Thursday January 12 2017, @01:23PM

        by mojo chan (266) on Thursday January 12 2017, @01:23PM (#452926)

        Why in the world should it be the goal of a company to make more "minorities" hirable?

        Because the choice they face is:

        1. Do nothing, and society will force them to be more responsible and raise taxes to pay for it anyway. The money might not be spent training the type of candidates they want.

        2. Do it themselves, get the people and skills they want, and look good at the same time so that society feels less need to regulate and tax them.

        Business is not some sacred church that operates separate to the rest of society.

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        • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday January 12 2017, @05:13PM

          by Grishnakh (2831) on Thursday January 12 2017, @05:13PM (#452982)

          You really think that in the Brave New Trump World that "society" is somehow going to regulate and tax companies for not being diverse enough? What are you smoking? Big business has owned government in this country for quite some time now, and it's only going to get much worse in 2017.

          Finally, companies aren't training candidates. Have you not noticed that? They only want people who already have experience in stuff. You can see this in all the job postings, and it's a common complaint in the industry. Training costs money, waiting 6-12 months for an employee to "come up to speed" costs money, so companies don't do it; they want someone else to bear that cost for them.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 11 2017, @06:51PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 11 2017, @06:51PM (#452627)

    But where are those people going? I bet you'll find large increases of women in managerial roles, especially bureaucratic roles in large quasi-governmental organizations such as universities.

    • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday January 12 2017, @10:26PM

      by Grishnakh (2831) on Thursday January 12 2017, @10:26PM (#453096)

      Exactly. Even in engineering, the women who do go into this field usually end up getting out of true engineering roles pretty quickly. They move into management of some kind, or they get sick of the field and go into something entirely different.

  • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday January 11 2017, @10:16PM

    by Grishnakh (2831) on Wednesday January 11 2017, @10:16PM (#452733)

    It's not a bottleneck, it's a lack of interest. There's more women than men in college now; the ratio is about 60/40 last I heard. Women are advancing in professional fields farther than ever before. It's only in STEM (and especially in computer-related fields) where they're way behind, and falling. They actually had higher representation in the past.

    So people are trying to encourage more women to get involved, and instead they're getting less involved. Continuing to encourage them seems to fit the definition of insanity: doing the same thing and expecting a different result. After all, how much outreach has there been to get women involved in other professional fields like medicine and law?

    Maybe the problem isn't with a lack of outreach to women in computing. Maybe the problem is with the profession itself not being attractive to women, and the women are doing the right thing by avoiding it and going into professions that fit them better (like medicine and law).

    Anecdotally, I was just reading a thread on HN today about open-place workspaces, and there were people on there talking about how they loved this work environment, and working with a group of other guys, staying up really late, playing loud music, etc. Tell me how a frat-boy work culture like that is supposed to be attractive to professional women. This is what programming has become these days in many cases. And maybe there isn't loud music in most workplaces, but open-plan offices are now undeniably the norm, and pushing long hours has been the norm for as long as I've been in the industry. Don't forget all the outsourcing too. It certainly isn't a profession that is suitable for professional women who want to earn a great salary, have a stable job, avoid sexual harassment, and who want to have children at some point. Women like that, who are smart enough to earn a tough degree, are much better suited for other professions, such as becoming a doctor or surgeon where they can make far more money and not worry about their job being outsourced and being forced to train their replacement, and where they'll be doing far more meaningful work to boot instead of just wasting their life writing some stupid app that won't be around in a few years.

    • (Score: 1) by anubi on Thursday January 12 2017, @10:13AM

      by anubi (2828) on Thursday January 12 2017, @10:13AM (#452898) Journal

      Can you really blame anyone for not getting so excited about a career in the STEM field if you will intend to have a family? [ocregister.com]

      I did STEM all my life. Just "officially" retired last year. It was fun. Well, most of it was until the last decade when the new management methods started making the rounds.

      I always felt very insecure of having the responsibility of providing for a family based on the vagrancies of being so expendable, so that was the price I paid for being in STEM.

      Had it been strictly money I wanted, and the stability to raise a family, I would have gone more into something like law, medicine, accounting, or helping business comply with government mandates. But my heart just wasn't in it. STEM is too much like music or the arts. One must have a love for creating things to do this. One sees lots of poor but very talented musicians, paint artists, sculptors, along with engineers.

      Looking back on my life, I always was in the top of my class, determined to understand exactly what I was doing, but too damned determined to do things my way, which was my downfall. I could not stomach doing stuff some way I knew was wrong just to please someone else.

      Kids: Go into STEM for the same reason you would study music: Your heart is here, and if you were doing anything else, this is where your mind would be.

      And like the rest of us, you will spend a lot of time in frustration, wondering why companies spend so much money to do it wrong, yet hire people at several times your income to make sure you never work there.

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  • (Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Thursday January 12 2017, @06:42AM

    by cubancigar11 (330) on Thursday January 12 2017, @06:42AM (#452860) Homepage Journal

    But don't you think a man saying he is producing less of something related to women is inherently male chauvinistic?</sarcasm>

    Lets put it this way. Which of the following is gender equality about: (A) A process that doesn't care about your gender (B) A process that ensures that an arbitrary ratio of genders is always maintained irrespective of requirement. From my experience, people switch between these two definitions at will as long as it means giving money to women. Even if you disagree with my assertion, you have to admit that (A) removes politicking while (B) creates a metric just to do politicking.

    Just to be clear, I am on record here and on the old-website defending the statement that women are equally smart and capable. But for me (A) actually solves a problem once and for all while (B) is just there to ensure the problem never gets solved.