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posted by n1 on Friday January 13 2017, @09:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-the-experts-say dept.

Submitted via IRC for Runaway1956

The Pentagon could be poised for a rapid about-face under the Trump administration, with the Obama administration's push for social reform surrendering to what could be an old-school emphasis on combat readiness and the spirit of the United States military, experts told FoxNews.com.

Under President Obama, the military sought to integrate transgender persons into the ranks, allow women into special operations forces and purge the nomenclature of gender-specific words, adopting what some critics say was a "politically correct" liberal agenda. That's a contrast to the traditional U.S. military approach.

In addition, some Navy ships have been named for civil rights activists. And while the Obama administration has taken an inclusive approach on some issues, it has also worked to minimize expressions of Christianity in the ranks. For example, several officers have been disciplined for displaying Bibles or gospel verses in their quarters.

Veterans and military experts told FoxNews.com that, while some of Obama's civil rights advancements may be locked in, neither Trump nor his choice for secretary of defense, Gen. James "Mad Dog" Mattis, are likely to make social experimentation a priority.

Source: Fox News


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @09:08PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @09:08PM (#453460)

    This story submission is just A LITTLE BIT right wing.

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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @09:14PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @09:14PM (#453462)

    What does "right wing" mean now? "Realistic"?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @10:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @10:16PM (#453509)

      It's a label that means exactly nothing.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @10:24PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @10:24PM (#453517)

      realistic? Someone has an inflated ego...

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday January 14 2017, @01:52AM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday January 14 2017, @01:52AM (#453668) Homepage

        I live in a city full of current and former military and work with many of those types as well, and the military's social experiments are the reason why the overwhelming majority of them got out.

        Saying that men and women are physically equal and then putting both of them together on grueling marches and watching all the females fall out and end up getting free jeep rides, leaving the men to carry their rucks for them, really does something to the morale of your male force. They had no faith that things would improve and were wary of a military future in which it would be impossible to fart the wrong way without being hauled into Social Actions*.

        Of course both men and women should serve in the military, but considering them physically equal is batshit-insane. Even my butch rugby-playing lesbo aunt acknowledges that fact and how silly leftist bullshit is becoming.

        * Social Actions is always staffed by angry fat Black Shaneequas with tacky nail jobs, chips on their shoulders, and ferocious attitudes. It's as if they'd waited their entire lives to put Whitey in his place.

        • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 14 2017, @03:31AM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 14 2017, @03:31AM (#453695) Journal

          "Even my butch rugby-playing lesbo aunt"

          Wow, you have interesting relatives. My aunts were mostly boring old women, except for great-aunt Madeline who was retired from the CIA. But, every time senile old Aunt Madeline started talking interesting stuff, her keeper chased everyone out of the room. "Top secret, out out out!" My only real takeaway from all of that, is that she saw a lot of China.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @09:15PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @09:15PM (#453464)

    This story submission is just A LITTLE BIT right wing.

    Can you really say you were surprised by this? After all, the story was submitted by our intrepid Runaway. 'Nuff said.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @09:28PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @09:28PM (#453469)
      It balances out the stuff submitted by aristarchus...
      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 14 2017, @08:29AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 14 2017, @08:29AM (#453739)

        It balances out the stuff submitted by aristarchus...

        Um, no it doesn't. aristarchus hardly ever submits anything, and when he/she does, it is always about Peter Thiel, anyway. Runaway is always posting right-wing shit from the Moonie Times, or Faux News, or Brautwurstbite. Not really a balance, at all, really.

  • (Score: 2) by n1 on Friday January 13 2017, @09:29PM

    by n1 (993) on Friday January 13 2017, @09:29PM (#453470) Journal

    I had conflicting thoughts on adding a counterpoint to this summary, but decided against it as it's pretty easy to see the agenda and perspective the summary is coming from...

    TFA mostly uses quotes from someone who was/is a 'senior fellow for national security' at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council [wikipedia.org]

    But here's some other stuff...

    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) noted during questioning that Mattis had previously said allowing women and men to serve together was like mixing different types of arrows, and asked whether he still believes that. Mattis responded that he did not plan to make any changes unless someone brings a problem to his attention.

    “I’m looking for military readiness,” he said, adding that he has “no plan to oppose women.”

    Noting additional comments he had made about gay and lesbians in the military, Gillibrand then asked, “ Do you believe that openly serving homosexuals, along with women in combat units, is undermining our force?” Again, Mattis declined to answer the question, responding that “we have to stay focused on the military that is so lethal that, on the battlefield, it is the enemy’s longest day and worst day when they run into that force.”

    https://thinkprogress.org/defense-secretary-mattis-women-lgbt-military-dodge-7f5ef4d85fed [thinkprogress.org]

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by BK on Friday January 13 2017, @10:15PM

      by BK (4868) on Friday January 13 2017, @10:15PM (#453508)

      We see submissions approved from sources like CNN, NPR, NYT, WaPo, etc. all the time. These sources have a clear agenda although most agree that they lean but do not topple (CNN is pressing their luck there lately though...). Hell we've even had numerous approved stories from sites like Mother Jones and Common Dreams which are beloved by certain groups but far off into looney land from the perspectives of others. We seem to do this generally without a need for commentary or opposing viewpoints.

      This story came from FoxNews. Like some of those mentioned above, this source has a well established viewpoint and agenda and leans... but does not topple.

      If we wanted a truly balanced discussion we would followup any Mother Jones link with something from Breitbart... Or maybe infowars. Something to consider when deciding whether to accept a story....

      Anyway, once you decide to accept the story, the place for commentary and counterpoints is in the comments. Kudos for getting it right.

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      • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 14 2017, @01:27AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 14 2017, @01:27AM (#453656)

        If we wanted a truly balanced discussion we would followup any Mother Jones link with something from Breitbart... Or maybe infowars

        That is not even remotely balanced.
        You thinking Mother Jones, which has a long reputable history, is equivalent to infowars or breitbart just reveals your position on the political spectrum.

        There are left-wing sites that are just as nutty and lacking in journalistic ethics as breitbart and infowars, but you don't know their names because they are just not very popular. That kind of tabloid-level delusion is simply not particularly compatible with typical left values.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 14 2017, @04:24AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 14 2017, @04:24AM (#453704)

        We see submissions approved from sources like CNN, NPR, NYT, WaPo, etc. all the time. These sources have a clear agenda

        No they do not have an agenda. They have biases, both editorial and due to the circumstances of the individual reporters. But they do not have an agenda. Fox has an agenda - to promote the republican party. We've seen that revealed via internal memos [wikipedia.org] that required reporting to be specifically slanted to favor republican party orthodoxy. All of those sites you've listed regularly criticize the left, especially when it comes to economic policies.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Saturday January 14 2017, @02:37PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 14 2017, @02:37PM (#453782) Journal

          We've seen that revealed via internal memos [wikipedia.org] that required reporting to be specifically slanted to favor republican party orthodoxy.

          Note, that your linked source doesn't currently [wikipedia.org] say that. Maybe you were looking for a particular date [wikipedia.org]?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 14 2017, @03:46PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 14 2017, @03:46PM (#453792)

            Khallow, will you ever grow beyond simple literalism?

            No there are no memos that say "support the republican party line."' There are memos that say "spin stories about X, Y and Z in this way" where "this way" is always the republican party line. Its particularly revealing when the direction of spin changes right as the republican party line changes direction.

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday January 15 2017, @04:29AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 15 2017, @04:29AM (#454002) Journal

              Khallow, will you ever grow beyond simple literalism?

              When will you stop saying things that are "simple literal" false? It would not have been hard to avoid that particular pitfall.

              There are memos that say "spin stories about X, Y and Z in this way" where "this way" is always the republican party line.

              Sure, if I cherry pick the memos that follow the Republican party line, then they always follow the Republican party line. Funny how that works. I believe that's the Sex Panther fallacy.

              Fox News is so biased, I wouldn't be surprised that they're running an overt pro-Republican party agenda. But I'm not clear how you're so certain other major media outlets aren't running political agendas of their own.

  • (Score: 2) by Bot on Saturday January 14 2017, @08:22PM

    by Bot (3902) on Saturday January 14 2017, @08:22PM (#453898) Journal

    Right or left wing, it is incredible that the military were forbidden to show religious signs.
    Not for ethic or religious reasons. It could well be some commie symbol.
    The reasoning is, if someone goes to his superior and says "I am offended by corporal Bot's discrete 5x2 foot Christian cross decorated with real blood that he keeps in our room", the superior should kick the pussy out of the unit with the reason: whiner, unsuitable for team work, probably terrorist, and pussy.

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