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posted by n1 on Friday January 13 2017, @09:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-the-experts-say dept.

Submitted via IRC for Runaway1956

The Pentagon could be poised for a rapid about-face under the Trump administration, with the Obama administration's push for social reform surrendering to what could be an old-school emphasis on combat readiness and the spirit of the United States military, experts told FoxNews.com.

Under President Obama, the military sought to integrate transgender persons into the ranks, allow women into special operations forces and purge the nomenclature of gender-specific words, adopting what some critics say was a "politically correct" liberal agenda. That's a contrast to the traditional U.S. military approach.

In addition, some Navy ships have been named for civil rights activists. And while the Obama administration has taken an inclusive approach on some issues, it has also worked to minimize expressions of Christianity in the ranks. For example, several officers have been disciplined for displaying Bibles or gospel verses in their quarters.

Veterans and military experts told FoxNews.com that, while some of Obama's civil rights advancements may be locked in, neither Trump nor his choice for secretary of defense, Gen. James "Mad Dog" Mattis, are likely to make social experimentation a priority.

Source: Fox News


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  • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 13 2017, @10:18PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 13 2017, @10:18PM (#453512) Journal

    "In a sense, it has to, for a little while,"

    Thank you for that. While you and I may disagree on precisely what the problem is - you do acknowledge that there is a problem. I don't believe that your reasoning justifies Obama's meddling with the military, while you seem to believe it is justified. But, you obviously have more insight into the issue than most of the clowns submitting articles to the MSM.

    "Not a great recipe for tolerance"

    Tolerance would have accepted that Germany and Japan carved the world up between them. "It's just their way of life, it's none of our business!"

    The military's code of conduct? Yes, it changes, but at it's core, it really hasn't changed since the days of chivalry. Fight the oppressors, protect the defenseless - that stays constant.

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  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 13 2017, @10:37PM

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday January 13 2017, @10:37PM (#453535) Journal

    You stupid motherfucker, you'd equate letting gays serve openly with the fucking World War II Axis powers? Wow, you're even more of an asshole than I thought you were. Piss off and whine somewhere else.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @10:52PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @10:52PM (#453548)

      He's not equating them, merely pointing out that "tolerance" in itself is not inherently positive.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 13 2017, @11:13PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 13 2017, @11:13PM (#453561) Journal

      Did ya read what AC said in response to your silly post? If not - read it. FFS, I thought you were literate.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 14 2017, @12:39AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 14 2017, @12:39AM (#453632)

        And equating the concept of "tolerance" with allowing the nazis and japanese to take over the world is a huge strawman. You're equating civil liberties and rights with war criminals and empire builders. At least I recall you not being fond of the US empire building...

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 14 2017, @12:46AM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 14 2017, @12:46AM (#453635) Journal

          Words have meaning. Tolerance means you tolerate shit that you don't like. Need some help?

          tol·er·ance
          ˈtäl(ə)rəns/Submit
          noun
          1.
          the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.
          "the tolerance of corruption"
          synonyms: acceptance, toleration; More
          2.
          an allowable amount of variation of a specified quantity, especially in the dimensions of a machine or part.
          "250 parts in his cars were made to tolerances of one thousandth of an inch"

          Once again, I'll remind you that conservatives are more tolerant than liberals. Conservatives tolerate bullshit like you posted. Liberals, on the other hand, want to pass laws outlawing all manner of thought, speech, and conduct.

          If tolerance and diverstity were a thing when Germany and Japan were carving out their empires, the US never would have become involved.

          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 14 2017, @02:29AM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 14 2017, @02:29AM (#453682) Journal

            Motherfucker, tolerance does not mean you sit back and accept any shit anyone else wants to do. In particular, you are not to be tolerant of intolerance, and I can't think of much more intolerant regimes than the Nazis. Why is this difficult for you to understand?

            "Butbutbut hurr hurr you "tolerant" liberals don't tolerate my intolerance so you're intolerant hypocrites durpa derrrr~ *hic*" is what is known as the Stolen Concept Fallacy, i.e., using a concept to argue against its genetic roots. It is the exact equivalent to Wile E. Coyote sitting on a tree branch and sawing it off at the trunk. Congratulations, too, on proving that there is no good and just God who intervenes in human affairs in real time. If there were, you would have caught a big fat juicy goddamn thunderbolt for that "conservatives are more tolerant than liberals" line.

            Joseph Heller was right: turning everything backwards and inside out and perverting it into a mockery of itself requires no brains at all, just no character.

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            • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 14 2017, @02:53AM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 14 2017, @02:53AM (#453685) Journal

              That is some funny shit, Azuma. "We gotta tolerate Muslims, as well as any kind of minority, but we can't tolerate any kind of conservative views." Please, just stop the hypocrisy.

              "Joseph Heller was right: turning everything backwards and inside out and perverting it into a mockery of itself requires no brains at all, just no character."

              You have just described the democrat party approach to almost everything.

              Speaking of funny - did you catch that bit about George Soros losing a billion dollars because he bet against America, and Trump? I hope the queer rotten bastard loses the rest of his money the same way. And, I hope that losing all his money causes him to have a stroke. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/12/billionaire-george-soros-reportedly-lost-nearly-1-billion-during-trump-rally.html [cnbc.com]

              Imagine that - the stock markets rallied after Trump was elected. (Gomer Pyle voice) "Surprise, surprise, surprise!"

              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 14 2017, @05:25AM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 14 2017, @05:25AM (#453716) Journal

                What the ever-loving fuck makes you think I tolerate Islam? Have you NOT been seeing the posts where apparently I step on peoples' toes and get bitched out for "sucking at math" and "being an Islamofoe?"

                You're fucking deranged, Runaway. Sit down, shut up, medicate yourself with a fifth of Jack, and calm down before what I will charitably call your heart explodes.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 14 2017, @09:38AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 14 2017, @09:38AM (#453750)

              Motherfucker, tolerance does not mean you sit back and accept any shit anyone else wants to do.

              That's exactly what it is, by definition.

              In particular, you are not to be tolerant of intolerance

              A common mistake, which immediately reveals the total hypocrisy of most who preach tolerance as innately good.

              What you are suggesting is not unlike that pacifists should go to war with those who are not pacifist.

              In the end, what you're really talking about isn't true tolerance, but instead a limited tolerance of only the things which you like. To then claim that this is the one and only "tolerance" is an attempt to claim that the things which you like are objectively good.

              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 14 2017, @06:54PM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday January 14 2017, @06:54PM (#453866) Journal

                You fell right into it, you moron. Read the below post about what the stolen concept fallacy is. You're doing the equivalent of arguing for complete epistemological scepticism; when someone asks you how you know this, you'll have no possible answer. God, why are so many of the ACs on this site so completely fucking illiterate?!

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                • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 15 2017, @05:35AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 15 2017, @05:35AM (#454015)

                  He's just being a disingenuous retard and misconstruing what people actually mean when they call for more tolerance by taking everything they say 100% literally. He likely knows what they mean, so this is just a dishonest argumentation tactic.

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 16 2017, @12:46AM

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday January 16 2017, @12:46AM (#454210) Journal

                    What we need to do is figure out a way to encode a slap across the face into TCP/IP specifically for people who do shit like this :/

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @10:49PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 13 2017, @10:49PM (#453545)

    Tolerance of people deviating from the majority did happen during WWII. Not discriminating against people serving in your own military is not the same as tolerating "the enemy".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_African_Americans#World_War_II [wikipedia.org]