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posted by janrinok on Monday January 16 2017, @08:42PM   Printer-friendly
from the comparing-tools dept.

Eric S Raymond, author of "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", blogs via Ibiblio

I wanted to like Rust. I really did. I've been investigating it for months, from the outside, as a C replacement with stronger correctness guarantees that we could use for NTPsec [a hardened implementation of Network Time Protocol].

[...] I was evaluating it in contrast with Go, which I learned in order to evaluate as a C replacement a couple of weeks back.

[...] In practice, I found Rust painful to the point of unusability. The learning curve was far worse than I expected; it took me those four days of struggling with inadequate documentation to write 67 lines of wrapper code for [a simple IRC] server.

Even things that should be dirt-simple, like string concatenation, are unreasonably difficult. The language demands a huge amount of fussy, obscure ritual before you can get anything done.

The contrast with Go is extreme. By four days in of exploring Go, I had mastered most of the language, had a working program and tests, and was adding features to taste.

Have you tried using Rust, Go or any other language that might replace C in the future? What are your experiences?


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 16 2017, @09:50PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 16 2017, @09:50PM (#454545)

    Good luck getting a job. It's a post-skills world out there and social fit is everything.

    There's a television documentary you should see. It's called "Younger".

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Monday January 16 2017, @11:36PM

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Monday January 16 2017, @11:36PM (#454602) Homepage

    Then you be smart enough to bullshit what they want to hear, and hopefully settle into a company with a tolerable culture.

    Actually, there are such things as places that aren't San Francisco or Portland where you get sent to the turkey-farm or shit-canned for trying to being that bullshit into the workplace -- although that bad stereotype is perpetuated by Silicon Valley assholes and everybody believes it to be gospel.

    Hell, at a previous job I worked only a couple years ago calling each other names like "joto, mamon, maricon, chavala," and "swishy" was commonplace in the shop and the women who overheard those slurs thought it was hilarious. Women like to see men being men and they are fascinated by the locker-room grabassing of a manly environment - and that environment consisted of 3 Whites (including me), 2 Blacks, a Puerto-Rican, and 2 Gooks -- Oh, and one Black and one Gook were female but could sling insults and put men in their place.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 16 2017, @11:49PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 16 2017, @11:49PM (#454612)

      Women who aren't scheming to get everyone fired? Now I know you're lying.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 17 2017, @12:58AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 17 2017, @12:58AM (#454635)

    Good luck getting a job. It's a post-skills world out there and social fit is everything.

    I am self employed.

    There's a television documentary you should see. It's called "Younger".

    There's this thing you should see too, it's called "The Real World".

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 17 2017, @01:25AM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 17 2017, @01:25AM (#454652) Homepage Journal

      You should as well. It's full of people like me. We have most of the money and hire for the jobs.

      --
      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 17 2017, @11:15AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 17 2017, @11:15AM (#454845)

        We have most of the money and hire for the jobs.

        I work for myself - I'd be hiring you. If you behave like a retarded child, cannot work alongside others without pointless interpersonal drama or are in need a "code of conduct" then you are simply not employable.