Submitted via IRC for TheMightyBuzzard
Besides the fact that antiX 16.1 comes with all 173 bug fixes and security patches implemented by the Debian Project in the new Debian GNU/Linux 8.7 "Jessie" release, but without the systemd init system, the distribution is using the long-term supported Linux 4.4.10 kernel customized with a fbcondecor splash.
Additionally, the new antiX version includes two applications, namely live-usb-maker and live-kernel-updater, which allow users to create a Live USB disk of antiX that you can use to run the operating system without having to install it on your personal computer, and update the kernel without the need to reboot the PC.
Meh, I'll stick with Calculate Linux for now.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by bart9h on Thursday January 19 2017, @07:14PM
Cool, another sans-systemd distro.
I'm using Devuan since the first alpha release.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @07:39PM
I recently tried out Devuan but it was going to be too much of a pain to get setup as a desktop. The window manager kept defaulting to XFCE which was basically broken even though I selected KDE. Has anyone set up a full desktop dev environment with Devuan?
(Score: 3, Informative) by jmorris on Thursday January 19 2017, @07:45PM
Install Mate. If you have a laptop you need to manually patch (one liner) one package and only rebuild another to get power management to work, Google will quickly point you to a page with detailed instructions. GNOME hard depends on systemd so it isn't ever going to work and apparently KDE is almost as bad and nobody has yet put in the work to disinfect it.
(Score: 3, Informative) by RS3 on Thursday January 19 2017, @08:01PM
On servers I'm running CentOS 6.x which does NOT have systemd (I've added several upgraded repositories which include kernel 4.9.4). I rarely run them in X mode, but they're running Gnome (ugh) 2.28, or my preference: xfce4, which seems to run KDE apps without systemd or all the bloat (UGH!) of the KDE environment.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @08:08PM
Thanks to both of you.
(Score: 3, Informative) by jmorris on Thursday January 19 2017, @09:00PM
Mate is basically GNOME 2.x maintained and patched to rename everything that conflicts (by design) so it can be kept in a repo with GNOME3 without throwing up errors. Yes, I have Centos 6.x running on workstations here too, it is sane, it works and with some patching to keep Chrome working it is current enough for folks to get work done. But it is nearing end of life. So I'm working on finding all the pain points in switching a user from Gnome 2.x on Centos to Mate on Devuan.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 20 2017, @03:45AM
Go ahead and install Devuan with XFCE. Add one of the repositories from the MX and Mepis Community Repository (mxrepo.com). I'm using the one for MX-15 at present. This will upgrade you to XFCE 4.12 (which is much better), and provide the latest Pale Moon browser among other goodies. Personally, I create a apt Preferences file so that only certain packages will be upgraded via the MX repo, everything else comes through Devuan.
Then, for the love of God, download and install a Clearlooks theme and the Elementary icon theme so that XFCE doesn't look like crap!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by jmorris on Thursday January 19 2017, @07:41PM
Yup, I think it is time to ignore the fanboys who said we were a fringe of greybeards who wouldn't be able to muster the effort to resist. Who were just howling in the wilderness, who were obsolete, who refused to join the inevitable march of History.
The truth is that we UNIX folk are a minority, always have been. When Open Source became a buzzword a lot of Windows people came in and set about remaking our world according to Windows customs and we were too overwhelmed with the huge influx to react properly. But now we are formalizing the split that must come.
I wish RedHat and Co nothing but success in their efforts to assimilate the Windows people to an Open Source operating system designed to make them feel welcome. We will now learn whether the Windows mental model is actually defective or whether it was Microsoft and their closed development methods.
We can borrow good ideas as we see them and as we deem them good, since they are in fact Open Source, exactly as they used our Open Source as the base to bootstrap from. But we will keep UNIX alive, including the variants built atop the Linux kernel and GNU tools.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @08:43PM
I feel dirtier and dirtier every time I realize I'm part of a "we" in your "us" vs. "them" world.
I will keep telling myself, "It's just code. This is free software working correctly. Even pedophiles and people who idolize the Antebellum South must have the freedom to use it in order for it to be free. The code must not be political."
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @11:52PM
Foreword: This is from an American perspective, insert appropriate political groups or ideologies to fit your region.
Just like Democrats and Republicans have been for quite a while.
Yes there is 'us vs them', but it has always been split amongst dozens or hundreds of issues, spanning multiple separate ideological groups per person.
Lots of Ds and Rs are into open source, just like lots of Ds and Rs are into BDSM (and plenty on both sides aren't, with vehement reasons why not!) The point being you pick up banners according to the CURRENT ISSUES, not according to some 'team' you are foolishly supporting because your friends would hate you otherwise. Peer pressure has gotten so bad in the adult world (it was always bad, but in some ways had gotten worse this generation, maybe due to media influence and instant communication spreading to all corners of the country and world,) that people can't even go 'Y'know I don't agree with so and so on a lot, but dammit we're carrying a banner together on X!'
Just something for you all to mull over as you're hating on someone whose day to day views you dislike.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 20 2017, @04:45AM
I feel dirtier and dirtier every time I realize I'm part of a "we" in your "us" vs. "them" world.
I feel dirtier every time, I realize, I am part of the "pee" in your "we" that was part of the "us vs. them world" of Donald Jeremiah Trump in the Moscow hotel with the hookers with the pee. Is this what you were really trying to say? If so, several news agencies want to pay you, so you will not feel so dirty. Fucking whore!
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 20 2017, @03:48PM
Awwwwww - AC got a little salt in his butthurt. Poor baby!
(Score: 4, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday January 19 2017, @08:59PM
Upmodded because you are correct. Though it makes my soul feel like it needs a shower to agree with you on anything. Well, truth is truth; even Stalin couldn't be wrong all the time.
You know, I think I figured out what your issue is: you don't "get" humanity. You and Uzzard both seem to be competent sysadmin types but utterly pants at anything not involving computer hardware. You'd probably happier if you just stuck to what you're good at.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Gaaark on Thursday January 19 2017, @11:55PM
And yet, the variety of opinions is one reason I come here: i suck socially and find far too many people (sheeple?) to be stupid beyond belief.
My often said quote is "we ARE the most intelligent species on Earth, aren't we???" (usually said while shaking my head in disbelief). :)
But what I find stupid, other people find brill, to my astonishment.
Sometimes I find REAL insight from the most astonishing places, and from unlikely people (my son is in Special Olympics and I have learned a lot from his friends there(so many of them are more socially apt than I am!))
But then......
(Note to stupid people: if you see someone kneeling down, do NOT say "say one for me while your down there! Huh-huh!"). Just stupid!
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 20 2017, @12:40AM
Not all opinions are equal. Going by the axiom (because, epistemologically-speaking, you can't PROVE this...) that there is an external reality leads directly to this as a consequence. Some opinions are more or less consonant with external reality, and by this we may rank them. Opinion is to fact as law is to moral.
And J-Mo's opinions on most things ain't worth shit. They're actually of negative worth, for this reason.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Friday January 20 2017, @03:10AM
This entire post was pointless.
You can't even agree with somebody without insulting them. Just take a chill pill and don't hit that 'post' button.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 20 2017, @03:55AM
Een old country ve haff sayink for zees: "Krai sum moar."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 20 2017, @03:57PM
I pilfered the wife's purse, and all her chill pill bottles are empty.