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posted by janrinok on Thursday January 26 2017, @08:38PM   Printer-friendly
from the so-this-is-freedom? dept.

Snopes reports

Six journalists could spend up to 10 years in prison after being arrested during protests against President Donald Trump's inauguration.

The Guardian identified the journalists as freelancer Aaron Cantú; Vocativ senior producer Evan Engel; Jack Keller, producer for the online documentary Story of America; independent journalists Matt Hopard and Shay Horse; and RT America reporter Alex Rubinstein.

The group was charged under a District of Columbia statute penalizing "every person who willfully incited or urged others to engage" in a riot causing more than $5,000 in property damage with the potential 10-year prison sentence and a fine of up to $25,000. More than 200 people in total were arrested the day of the 20 January 2017 inauguration; they were reportedly arraigned the following day and will be back in court in February and March.

[...] Another independent journalist and documentarian, Tim Pool, said on Twitter that he and two NBC News journalists were also arrested during the 20 January 2017 demonstrations but released without charges. Pool said that a supervising officer told him "no less than three times" that they were under arrest. NBC News has not responded to our request for comment regarding Pool's account.


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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @12:34AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @12:34AM (#459224)

    What you are missing is that those countries have fairly uniform culture and even ethnicity.

    That is huge. It is the primary basis for trust and cooperation. You can't just ape their political system and expect similar results.

    We have a state that is kind of like those countries. It's Vermont. Vermont isn't that way because it is liberal; if anything it is liberal because it already has uniformity. Vermont may be liberal, but it is the least mixed-race state in the union. It is anything but multicultural.

    The next closest is any other place that could be called "small town America", without much immigration in the past half century. These places might not be well off, but they have trust. People help each other. People work together.

    When you threaten to destroy that by bringing in 3rd world people who don't give a shit about American culture, you should expect some pushback. Unless you want an enabling act passed, you need to back off. Lots of Americans want to live with Americans, not 3rd worlders. Immigration sets us on a path that will ultimately cause extreme violence. Picture formerly-friendly neighbors in Rwanda hacking each other to death, and then imagine it here. Well, we still have guns. We're many years from severe violence I hope... but a lot can change in a few decades.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @01:07AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @01:07AM (#459236)

    I forgot to mention that Lamestream Media needs to have their broadcasting license, which allows them to use the PUBLIC airways, revoked when they don't serve ALL the people.
    Y'know, actually being "fair and balanced"; informative, not propagandist.

    Oh, and there's your racism which I also forgot to mention.
    The people of Norway actively thwarted the efforts of the Nazis to deport Jews.
    The (Arab) Moors who captured Spain allowed Catholics to continue to exist and just made them pay a fine for not converting to Islam.
    Peoples can coexist--if bigots with a mile-wide streak of prejudice don't get to call the tune.

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  • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Friday January 27 2017, @01:14AM

    by vux984 (5045) on Friday January 27 2017, @01:14AM (#459240)

    " Lots of Americans want to live with Americans, not 3rd worlders."

    I remember learning in school about when all the real American's didn't want any "Irish"

    This isn't a new thing, "real American's" are pretty much everyone who has a couple generations roots, and they have always systematically denigrated every one who landed in the country after them as some sort of corrupting and unwelcome influence that would destroy 'real america'.

    It just one long sequence of the current generation hating immigratns until those immigrants had been around long enough to claim they were the real americans and could take there turn hating immigrants.

    Immigration sets us on a path that will ultimately cause extreme violence.

    How old is the country now? Its been an immigration destination for a few hundred years now.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @01:39AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @01:39AM (#459250)

      Europeans are similar enough that the problems don't last. Even the East Asians are not much trouble -- the culture may look alien but it isn't 3rd world. After a bit of initial discomfort, we can merge in people from Europe or East Asia.

      The 3rd world is another matter entirely, particularly the parts with Islam. That doesn't smooth out with time. It festers. There is no place on Earth where significant numbers of muslims live peacefully with non-muslims or even other types of muslims. There is no part of Africa that isn't horrid, despite numerous countries with distinct histories.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @01:41AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @01:41AM (#459252)

      Picture the people of the USA as water in a glass. Add a drop of pee, and it still tastes fine. Keep adding though, and soon enough you have a drink that isn't water.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @03:04AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @03:04AM (#459284)

        One drop is enough for me! Here you have Americans, a nation of tolerant liberal freedom-loving people, and you add one drop of nazi racism and it sours the whole thing. Nope, ain't gonna drink no racist water, no siree! Take that shit back to Bratbarf where you got it from, you scum of a rightwing Nazi! Go, before we all punch you in your frog-lapel pin wearing face!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @04:10AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @04:10AM (#459305)

          It looks like we'll have to pass an enabling act. You'll blame conservatives, but it'll be you who pushed them too far. Your unwillingness to cooperate in preserving American culture means that things get ugly. Nobody likes this. Conservatives especially hate messing with how government functions, but American culture is a valuable culture and it is ours. We won't give it up, even if we have to get ugly.

          Really, if you don't like American culture, you should go somewhere more to your liking. That would avoid violence.

          In the end, liberals will not win. It'll come down to a fight between conservative Americans and conservative muslims. Probably the muslims win, but who knows? The loser of those two will die trying.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Friday January 27 2017, @02:17AM

      by Thexalon (636) on Friday January 27 2017, @02:17AM (#459269)

      This isn't a new thing, "real American's" are pretty much everyone who has a couple generations roots, and they have always systematically denigrated every one who landed in the country after them as some sort of corrupting and unwelcome influence that would destroy 'real america'.

      Well, actually, it is true that in one case, a wave of immigrants utterly wrecked the culture of the "real Americans". That wave of immigrants, of course, was when those weird-looking palefaces showed up and acted like they owned the place, completely disregarding all local traditions, refusing to learn the language or assimilate, and forming gangs to destroy or capture everything the "real Americans" had created.

      As I'm sure some sachem said at the time: When England sends its people, they aren't sending their best. They aren't sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing diseases. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

      --
      The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @03:59AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 27 2017, @03:59AM (#459302)

        You're mixing places up. The bad ones got sent to Australia.

        Also, drop the "noble savage" myth. The original inhabitants, in either place, were also plenty bad.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by dry on Friday January 27 2017, @07:29AM

          by dry (223) on Friday January 27 2017, @07:29AM (#459364) Journal

          Up until the American revolution, they were sent to America. Georgia was a penal colony. Lots of indentured servants sent over, one reaction was to import black slaves because those horrible indentured servants were only indentured for x years and then they joined society.
          Look at the dates, the Australian penal colonies were a reaction to losing America and needing somewhere else to send the poor who were reduced to stealing bread. Between enclosure and industrialization, there were a lot of unemployed poor

          • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday January 27 2017, @01:26PM

            by Thexalon (636) on Friday January 27 2017, @01:26PM (#459439)

            It's worth mentioning that a staggeringly high percentage of indentured servants in Virginia in particular didn't make it to the end of their indenture. This isn't surprising, because their masters had a financial incentive to ensure that they didn't: They were supposed to pay their indentured servants a sum of cash on their way out the door to help them get started out in their new life, but if the servants didn't survive then they wouldn't have to pay. Those that did make it to the end of their term didn't have enough resources to buy land, and their weren't enough jobs, so a lot of them ended up going west to try to take some land from the Natives. Their descendants basically became what is now known as the Appalachian culture.

            The other obvious point is that even in the colonies other than Georgia, the kinds of people who wanted to pack up their life and move to the Americas weren't living the high life in Britain.

            And as for the "noble savage" thing, my initial post didn't say anything about the quality of the Native American life, only suggesting that they would have had exactly as much reason (if not more) to be xenophobic as we are now.

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