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posted by on Friday January 27 2017, @04:01AM   Printer-friendly
from the the-ancestral-hobbit-homeland dept.

During their investigation of the purchase of a large estate in New Zealand by Peter Thiel, Matt Nippert and Anne Gibson, reporters for The New Zealand Herald, noticed that certain processes required by the Overseas Investment Act had not been followed. The explanation: Peter Thiel is a NZ citizen and hence wasn't required to follow the procedures for an overseas investment.

If Thiel is so sure that Trump will deliver, why does he need a bolt hole and more importantly, citizenship in another country?

The New York Times adds:

One question being asked was why Mr. Thiel became a New Zealander in 2011. Close behind that was how it happened.

If you like New Zealand enough to want to become a citizen, the country's Internal Affairs Department noted on Wednesday, one requirement is "to have been physically in New Zealand for a minimum of 1,350 days in the five years preceding the citizenship application." Another requirement is that you "continue to reside" there after becoming a citizen.

Mr. Thiel, 49, does not appear to have done either.

[...] If Mr. Thiel was not a resident in New Zealand for the necessary amount of time, an exception must have been made. The government has not responded to questions about whether that happened and, if so, what the reason was.


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  • (Score: 2) by dry on Saturday January 28 2017, @02:47AM

    by dry (223) on Saturday January 28 2017, @02:47AM (#459794) Journal

    Libertarianism was originally a left wing philosophy. Can't get much further left then having the government stay out of the peoples business. The failure mode is having the Stalinists show up. Right wing libertarianism has a similar failure mode, look at how many are cheering the idea of not liking your neighbours, so forcing them to pay to build a fence, I mean a wall as they worship the Trump.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism [wikipedia.org]

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday January 28 2017, @10:41AM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 28 2017, @10:41AM (#459855) Journal

    Libertarianism was originally a left wing philosophy. Can't get much further left then having the government stay out of the peoples business. The failure mode is having the Stalinists show up. Right wing libertarianism has a similar failure mode, look at how many are cheering the idea of not liking your neighbours, so forcing them to pay to build a fence, I mean a wall as they worship the Trump.

    It's hard enough to debate politics on this forum without the blatantly wrong ad hominems. Just because Thiel chooses to support Trump doesn't mean every "right wing libertarian" does. And every political system has "Stalinists show up" as a key failure mode. In libertarian-based societies, at least people would have considerably more power to resist the Stalinists.

    • (Score: 2) by dry on Sunday January 29 2017, @01:32AM

      by dry (223) on Sunday January 29 2017, @01:32AM (#460018) Journal

      In libertarian-based societies, at least people would have considerably more power to resist the Stalinists.

      How so?

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday January 29 2017, @08:58AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @08:58AM (#460182) Journal

        In libertarian-based societies, at least people would have considerably more power to resist the Stalinists.

        How so?

        By killing them with advanced firepower. Having a ready pool for creating armed resistance will at least slow down the Stalinists.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 30 2017, @06:24PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 30 2017, @06:24PM (#460733)

          By killing them with advanced firepower.

          See that right there? That is your right-wing authoritarian "libertarian" mode at work. It tends to the use of lethal force, loves them some firearms, and loves inserting objects into other men (why is it always men?) against their will (homosexual rape: that is what war is!). And they yearn for it, with their bug-out bags and EDCs, and doomday preps, as it warms their ammosexual hearts. (Pretty small hearts, actually, not much love in 'em!) But this is where the libertarians are the most stupid. The fear force majeur, when what they really have to beware is seduction. The Donald has grabbed them right by their dicks, and they like it!! And now Donald the Tiny Handed can wield the plenipotentiary power of the UN Presidency to force everyone to, um, be a free individual. Yeah, right!

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:32AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:32AM (#461137) Journal
            And the obvious rebuttal is that we're speaking of Stalinists for whom, violence is a very early resort. The ability to quickly meet violence with violence helps dampen the enthusiasm for the Stalinist approach.
        • (Score: 2) by dry on Thursday February 02 2017, @04:14AM

          by dry (223) on Thursday February 02 2017, @04:14AM (#461879) Journal

          That may be true in poor backwards countries where socialism/communism usually has success, though poor people often can't afford much in the way of firearms. In western countries the problem is the fascists, and it seems the gun owners usually support them. Can you imagine the armed American right taking up arms against Trump?
          Most of the successful revolutions in the last half century have been fairly peaceful, while the ones with arms have been like Syria.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday February 02 2017, @04:58AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 02 2017, @04:58AM (#461883) Journal

            In western countries the problem is the fascists, and it seems the gun owners usually support them.

            Authoritarians are all over the political spectrum. I don't agree with your characterization.

            Can you imagine the armed American right taking up arms against Trump?

            Yes.

            Most of the successful revolutions in the last half century have been fairly peaceful, while the ones with arms have been like Syria.

            Most of the fairly peaceful ones have been with arms too. They've just been one-sided enough in favor of the revolutionaries that the former leader or faction decided not to contest it via military force. What's the point of fighting, if you can't even count on your military, for example? I think a better indication of the level of bloodshed in a revolution is how divided the revolutionaries are. If a revolution will quickly degenerate into a multi-faction struggle, then that's the sort of environment that violent factions, like Stalinists or the original leadership can survive in and perhaps even thrive.

  • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Wednesday February 01 2017, @11:39AM

    by Wootery (2341) on Wednesday February 01 2017, @11:39AM (#461619)

    Can't get much further left then having the government stay out of the peoples business.

    That's nonsense. Leftism wants government to actively intervene to make society a better, fairer place. Decidedly not minarchistic.

    • (Score: 2) by dry on Thursday February 02 2017, @04:02AM

      by dry (223) on Thursday February 02 2017, @04:02AM (#461877) Journal

      That may be true of what Americans call leftist (not quite as far right in most of the world) but just as there are various types of rightists, there are various types of leftists. Originally it was pretty simple. Left equaled for the people or workers and right equaled for the aristocracy or rich.
      There's other political axises as well, libertarian vs authoritarian, which are independent of right vs left. To many people get mixed up, it seems all right/left wingers are authoritarian, depending on your view point, mostly because they're the loudest, so they blame it on right/left. Just to confuse things more, there's also the conservative vs progressive axis. You can have a conservative leftist who dreams of going back to when unions were powerful or a progressive rightist who doesn't mind advancing human rights. Here in Canada, our right wing party for the longest time until they killed themselves with NAFTA and the GST were the Progressive Conservatives, probably closer to the Clinton/Obama Democrats then not.

      • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Friday February 03 2017, @10:30AM

        by Wootery (2341) on Friday February 03 2017, @10:30AM (#462314)

        None of that strikes me as wrong, but it's still silly to in any way equate modern leftism with minarchism. Left libertarianism is a pretty tiny niche.

        In the USA today, the left aren't minarchist, and neither are the mainstream right, even if they like to pretend they are.