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President Trump's executive order banning people from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S. also applies to green card holders from those countries, the Department of Homeland Security said Saturday. "It will bar green card holders," acting DHS spokeswoman Gillian Christensen told Reuters.
Green cards serve as proof of an individual's permanent legal residence in the U.S. A senior administration official clarified on Saturday afternoon that green card holders from the seven countries affected in the order who are currently outside the U.S. will need a case-by-case waiver to return to the U.S. Green card holders in the U.S. will have to meet with a consular officer before departing the country, the official said.
Source: The Hill
At least one case quickly prompted a legal challenge as lawyers representing two Iraqi refugees held at Kennedy International Airport in New York filed a motion early Saturday seeking to have their clients released. They also filed a motion for class certification, in an effort to represent all refugees and other immigrants who they said were being unlawfully detained at ports of entry. Shortly after noon on Saturday, Hameed Khalid Darweesh, an interpreter who worked on behalf of the United States government in Iraq, was released. After nearly 19 hours of detention, Mr. Darweesh began to cry as he spoke to reporters, putting his hands behind his back and miming handcuffs.
[...] Inside the airport, one of the lawyers, Mark Doss, a supervising attorney at the International Refugee Assistance Project, asked a border agent, "Who is the person we need to talk to?"
"Call Mr. Trump," said the agent, who declined to identify himself.
[...] An official message to all American diplomatic posts around the world provided instructions about how to treat people from the countries affected: "Effective immediately, halt interviewing and cease issuance and printing" of visas to the United States. Confusion turned to panic at airports around the world, as travelers found themselves unable to board flights bound for the United States. In Dubai and Istanbul, airport and immigration officials turned passengers away at boarding gates and, in at least one case, ejected a family from a flight they had boarded.
[...] Iranian green card holders who live in the United States were blindsided by the decree while on vacation in Iran, finding themselves in a legal limbo and unsure whether they would be able to return to America. "How do I get back home now?" said Daria Zeynalia, a green card holder who was visiting family in Iran. He had rented a house and leased a car, and would be eligible for citizenship in November. "What about my job? If I can't go back soon, I'll lose everything."
Source: The New York Times
(Score: 3, Informative) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Saturday January 28 2017, @09:53PM
Deportation of the undesirables inside the country out of the country.
Then, as other countries gradually refuse to take them in, we'll have to "store" them somewhere, won't we - perhaps in Utah or something [wikipedia.org]...
Reminds you of anything?
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Saturday January 28 2017, @10:14PM
It reminds me of the time when Megyn Kelly interviewed Carl Higbie, spokesperson for the Great America Political Action Committee.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by hendrikboom on Saturday January 28 2017, @11:11PM
Thanks for the link to the topaz wikipedia site.
It says:
The Topaz Museum's mission statement reads:
To preserve the Topaz site and the history of the internment experience during World War II; to interpret its impact on the internees, their families, and the citizens of Millard County; and to educate the public in order to prevent a recurrence of a similar denial of American civil rights.
I wonder what they are now doing to prevent the recurrence.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Entropy on Saturday January 28 2017, @11:35PM
If their own country doesn't want them back, why is that our problem?
(Score: 3, Informative) by tisI on Sunday January 29 2017, @12:29AM
This policy is contrary to what this nation was founded on and everything it stands for.
You are free to ask an grown-up if this is too hard for you.
If you and yours don't like it, you may leave. I'll get the door for you.
"Suppose you were an idiot...and suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself."
(Score: 2, Informative) by Entropy on Sunday January 29 2017, @01:12AM
Allowing a bunch of terrorists into France, Germany, and England has worked out very, very badly for them. Rape gangs, "no go" zones, terrorist bombings, etc. Some people are just bad--Such as those that have screwed up their own country so badly and then go to another country but try to keep their diseased way of life.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:02AM
Agreed that recent immigration has not worked out great for Europe. But the tribes of Europe don't have the history of immigration that the USA has. It's all there on the Statue of Liberty -- https://www.nps.gov/stli/learn/historyculture/colossus.htm [nps.gov]
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Emma Lazarus (November 2, 1883)
The National Park Service has not been told to take this down. Not yet.
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:44AM
Those immigrants wanted to be Americans. These want to transplant their way of life here. I have no problem with assimilating the good bits of some other culture but fuck a bunch of having to take the vile bits.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:03AM
> ... having to take the vile bits.
Why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list? They are the ones that sent us most of the 9/11 kamikazes.
Hint: the list of seven countries was made just for you and yours. Hope it makes you happy because it isn't going to make you safer by any appreciable amount.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:03PM
Because while the Saudi royal family plays ball just enough to make themselves more valuable in power than not, their populace certainly is quite fundamentalist and not in a good way.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @03:29AM
Again, I say that the poem has no force of law. It's just a silly god damned poem, tacked onto a statue, that was given to us by some furriners. Keep the huddled masses huddled in Arabia. You read this kind of stuff to little kids, while they are still digesting all the rest of the world's fairy tales.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:36AM
I have no idea why this was labelled "Informative", when it is flat-out wrong on some fundamental points:
1. Refugees are refugees because they're the people being attacked by rape gangs, terrorist bombings, and "no go" zones in their home countries. For example, one Bosnian Muslim family I got to know had come to the US because most of the people in their town were being massacred by the Serbian Army in their genocidal campaigns. They had nothing to do with the violence themselves (dad was an electrical engineer, mom was a teacher), they were just trying to survive and that meant getting the heck out of Dodge.
2. The terrorists who got in did not in fact pretend to be refugees. For example, in the Paris attack, most of the people involved, including the ringleader, were EU citizens in France, not immigrants. This isn't surprising: refugees go through all kinds of vetting processes once they get to a country that's considering taking them in. The guy who shot up a nightclub in Orlando was a US citizen born in New York.
3. The countries that Trump just blocked refugees from coming from are not where terrorist attackers on the US have come from. He did not block anybody from Saudi Arabia (where 11 of the 13 hijackers in Sept 11 2001 came from), nor Chechnya (Boston Marathon bombers).
And to keep the risk in perspective, you are far more likely to be killed by a ladder than by a terrorist.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @03:50AM
He had parents from Afghanistan.
One of the big problems is that the kids often go radical. It's normal for kids to have trouble fitting in and succeeding. When things don't work well, many people make bad choices: drug addiction, suicide, Islamic violence, gangs, gambling...
So there is extra risk with muslims. The kids go bad in a way that is super-uncommon for anybody else.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:11AM
> The kids go bad in a way that is super-uncommon for anybody else.
?? Look at all the alienated white kids shooting up their schools. It's not common for kids of any stripe to go bad and start killing people, but the USA is a big country and when someone does we all hear it.
Don't be so damn afraid!! Take a look at the actual crime numbers, unless you live in a really bad neighborhood you are (as someone else said) more likely to die on a ladder than from a terrorist.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:08PM
?? Look at all the alienated white kids shooting up their schools. It's not common for kids of any stripe to go bad and start killing people, but the USA is a big country and when someone does we all hear it.
France didn't have the problem with truck attacks until recently. While there will always be some loon who will crack, Islam promotes acts of religious violence as something to be admired and glorified.
Don't be so damn afraid!!
There is a thin line between bravery and stupidity.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @08:15AM
One of the big problems is that the kids often go radical. It's normal for kids to have trouble fitting in and succeeding. When things don't work well, many people make bad choices: drug addiction, suicide, Islamic violence, gangs, gambling...
Saw the same thing with all those second generation, refusing to assimilate no-good refusniks, the Vietnamese and the Cubans!!! Yep, always planning for what they were going to do when the "retook" the homeland. Instead they became pimps, drug-dealers, and some of them I am sure are good people.
(Score: 2) by Entropy on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:14AM
Do you seriously think if you were to live surrounded by the "Refugees" your life would be other than a disaster plagued by violence, rape, and other crime? Sure there are some good "Refugees", but with them comes the worst kind of cancer. How many bombing attacks and rape gangs do you remember in Paris before the innocent "Refugees" arrived? How about Germany?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @05:07AM
Elsewhere in the world it is a matter of get married or be raped - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/25/rape-violence-syria-women-refugee-camp [theguardian.com]
So, raped by one man legally every night or multiple men randomly. Muslim world for you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @08:18AM
Do you seriously think if you were to live surrounded by the "Refugees" your life would be other than a disaster plagued by violence, rape, and other crime?
Yes? It's called "Little Poland", right here in Chicago. Much safer than in those Anglo-Saxon neighborhoods, with all those Border English.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @08:55AM
It could be somehow related to France bombing IS, which happened before the attacks. People (even the French President) seem to forget that France started bombing, then IS retaliated.
Ditto for US and UK. You seem to forget YOU ARE IN OTHER COUNTRIES AND DROPPING BOMBS ON THEM.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:18PM
Ditto for US and UK.
Ditto for Germany and India.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Sunday January 29 2017, @01:22PM
Absolutely. Because unlike you I actually did spend quite a long period of my life around refugees, and it was nothing like what you describe. My guess is that a lot of your opposition comes from the fact that you don't know any of these people and don't know their stories.
Another example of a refugee family I got to know: The US military had plucked them out of Iraq in 1991, because the dad was a Kurdish leader and Saddam Hussein wanted to kill him off. The people he was leading at the time are now fighting ISIS right now around Mosul. Do we really want to keep guys like that out?
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by Entropy on Sunday January 29 2017, @07:24PM
Just because you can find positive examples, doesn't mean as a whole they are good. France: Rape Gangs raping children then the press under reporting the problem, then getting light penalties. Here's a couple references:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/346059 [digitaljournal.com]
http://joeforamerica.com/2015/11/muslim-gang-rape-marathons-continue-across-europe-wheres-press/ [joeforamerica.com]
How about bombings...The paris bomber used guess what, a Syrian refugee passport:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-passports/index.html [cnn.com]
We don't really have to worry too much about rape gangs, and bombings here in the US. Europe didn't have to either, until the let a ton of "Refugees" in... Now they have those sorts of problems. Unless the "Refugees" start exterminating the extremists among them, they area cancer.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday January 30 2017, @05:47PM
Just because you can find negative examples doesn't mean as a whole they are bad.
Also, many of your claims about the Paris attack are wrong:
- It wasn't a bombing, it was a mass shooting.
- While a Syrian refugee passport was found at the scene, that turned out to not belong to any of the perpetrators. Which isn't surprising, because none of them were Syrians. An Egyptian passport was also found at the scene, and was determined to belong to one of the victims of the attack.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2, Troll) by davester666 on Sunday January 29 2017, @06:32AM
Yup. EVERY "terrorist" attack since 9/11 have been by a US citizen or permanent resident.
This is just the usual fear-mongering "specific group of foreigners" are a threat. Hell, we did it to the Jews (deny them entry as a threat to national security) when we knew Germany had already begun murdering them en masse.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:26PM
when we knew Germany had already begun murdering them en masse.
Then where are the bodies?
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @01:21AM
It's not 1776 anymore, that's why. The bottom line is deal with it... or leave if you don't like it. The only people butthurt about this are the SJW'ers.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:21AM
When this nation was founded people didn't wrap their kids in bombs and send them to the local market to blow everyone up.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Sunday January 29 2017, @03:18AM
Try telling that to Native Americans. They didn't fare too well from the arrival of the nation's founders.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @08:25AM
Exactly why we need to be smarter than Native Americans if we want to survive. The world is much bigger than America. Letting them all in at once destroys what America is.
(Score: 2) by tisI on Monday January 30 2017, @04:58AM
No, they were escaping tyranny, persecution, and oppression by, .. well, much like the minds of the scum that have taken over our nation's capitol today.
We just got past all forms of war crimes and crimes against humanity by the last time republicans had complete control of the country. Now we have an even more unstable lunatic in the driver's seat than GWB ever proved himself to be.
No wonder the sane people are a bit concerned.
"Suppose you were an idiot...and suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 28 2017, @11:42PM
Reminds you of anything?
Yes, it reminds me of the slippery slope fallacy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @12:38AM
You mean that slope over there? The one we've slid down a couple of times already?
The counter of "that's a slippery slope argument" stops being useful if the species in question, has slid down it time and time again. Instead, it becomes a warning...
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @06:16AM
That is the next logic step in time of war. Lock of the enemies. Potential enemy combatants. In this case, that means muslims.
Islam has declared war against the world. Where will you hide from the carnage?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by q.kontinuum on Sunday January 29 2017, @09:57AM
I see. And since "The Saudi Arabs" already attacked and killed thousands of US citizens in 9/11, they can be exempted. It's statistically very unlikely, after all, that the next attackers should be Saudi Arabs again. And also, they are such nice business friends of tje POTUS. Better lock out the Iranians, sworn enemies of the Saudi Arabs.
Registered IRC nick on chat.soylentnews.org: qkontinuum
(Score: 2) by driverless on Sunday January 29 2017, @10:31AM
people from seven Muslim-majority countries
So Saudis, Algerians, Egyptians, Indonesians, Jordanians, Moroccans, Turks, and citizens of the UAE can no longer enter the US? Who would've thought it?