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posted by takyon on Saturday January 28 2017, @09:22PM   Printer-friendly

President Trump's executive order banning people from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S. also applies to green card holders from those countries, the Department of Homeland Security said Saturday. "It will bar green card holders," acting DHS spokeswoman Gillian Christensen told Reuters.

Green cards serve as proof of an individual's permanent legal residence in the U.S. A senior administration official clarified on Saturday afternoon that green card holders from the seven countries affected in the order who are currently outside the U.S. will need a case-by-case waiver to return to the U.S. Green card holders in the U.S. will have to meet with a consular officer before departing the country, the official said.

Source: The Hill

At least one case quickly prompted a legal challenge as lawyers representing two Iraqi refugees held at Kennedy International Airport in New York filed a motion early Saturday seeking to have their clients released. They also filed a motion for class certification, in an effort to represent all refugees and other immigrants who they said were being unlawfully detained at ports of entry. Shortly after noon on Saturday, Hameed Khalid Darweesh, an interpreter who worked on behalf of the United States government in Iraq, was released. After nearly 19 hours of detention, Mr. Darweesh began to cry as he spoke to reporters, putting his hands behind his back and miming handcuffs.

[...] Inside the airport, one of the lawyers, Mark Doss, a supervising attorney at the International Refugee Assistance Project, asked a border agent, "Who is the person we need to talk to?"

"Call Mr. Trump," said the agent, who declined to identify himself.

[...] An official message to all American diplomatic posts around the world provided instructions about how to treat people from the countries affected: "Effective immediately, halt interviewing and cease issuance and printing" of visas to the United States. Confusion turned to panic at airports around the world, as travelers found themselves unable to board flights bound for the United States. In Dubai and Istanbul, airport and immigration officials turned passengers away at boarding gates and, in at least one case, ejected a family from a flight they had boarded.

[...] Iranian green card holders who live in the United States were blindsided by the decree while on vacation in Iran, finding themselves in a legal limbo and unsure whether they would be able to return to America. "How do I get back home now?" said Daria Zeynalia, a green card holder who was visiting family in Iran. He had rented a house and leased a car, and would be eligible for citizenship in November. "What about my job? If I can't go back soon, I'll lose everything."

Source: The New York Times


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 29 2017, @01:48AM

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 29 2017, @01:48AM (#460028)

    It is religion enough to garner protection from the freedom from discrimination based on religious beliefs.

    Now, if the Supreme Court to wants to rule Islam not exempt from discrimination, that is their purview. In so far as existing case law is concerned, Islam is just as protected from religious discrimination as is Catholicism (a religion with a long history of violence and atrocities), Lutheranism (radicals that they were 200 years ago), Hinduism (Ghandi was not exactly politically neutral, was he?), and Presbyterianism (party animals to the core, especially their elders' councils.)

     

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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:06AM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:06AM (#460041) Journal

    "It is religion enough to garner protection from the freedom from discrimination based on religious beliefs."

    Well, it was, at least.

    There is little to argue in the rest of your post. I will add that the religions you named were radical at their inception, and eventually burnt themselves out. Islam, on the other hand, started out violent, and has remained violent. It varies a little over time - this century it mellows a little, and then next century, it gets more radical. But, Islam has never been a "religion of peace".

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:57AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:57AM (#460078)

      Yeah. Christians are so mellow that they had to hire muslims to guard Christendom's holiest place [cnn.com] - where Jesus died and was resurrected - the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
      The muslims aren't there to guard it from outsiders. They are there to keep the peace between Christians who literally can't stop fighting over the church. [catholiceducation.org] Not theological debates, actual physical brawls. [youtube.com] Just steps away from Jesus's actual tomb.

      So don't give me this shit about how peaceful christians are when its muslims who have to keep them in line.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @03:15AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @03:15AM (#460090) Journal

        Did I claim that Christians are peaceful? No - I merely stated that they have burnt out. Christians no longer raise armies to go crusading around the world in the name of Jesus. When was the last crusade? The last crusade worthy of the name would have to be when the Catholics destroyed the Aztec empire. Those good Spanish Christians were offended beyond description at the idea of sacrificing lovely young virgins to some heathen Sun God. I don't think the destruction of the Incan empire counts as a crusade - that was all about money. But, you could make an argument that it does count, if you like.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @03:21AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @03:21AM (#460095)

          Did I claim that Christians are peaceful? No - I merely stated that they have burnt out.

          Oh so now we are down to hair splitting.
          When you said "islam is not a religion of peace" you meant "christianity and islam are not religions of peace."

          Got it.

          Christians no longer raise armies to go crusading around the world in the name of Jesus.

          And what muslims have gone around the world with armies?
          And don't even try to pretend ISIS counts, their military operations are all about taking land from their neighbors and their host states.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @03:54AM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @03:54AM (#460113) Journal

            ISIS is all about Islam. ISIS is the distillation of Islam. ISIS is that portion of Islam which has tired of waiting for the Caliph to return, so they are actively setting things up for the Caliph. And, if the Caliph doesn't return to claim the throne they've set up for him, they'll just name a new Caliph.

            There is a Muslim army bivouaced in Europe right now. An entire division laid seige to that fancy tunnel under the English Channel. Multiple divisions are loitering in a little known suburb in Belgium.

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brussels-attacks-a-look-at-molenbeek-the-small-belgian-suburb-home-to-some-of-the-world-s-most-a6946321.html [independent.co.uk]

            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:08AM

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:08AM (#460120)

              ISIS is the distillation of Islam the way the Inquisitors were the distillation of the Catholic church - a radical minority with a well deserved reputation for hypocrisy of the highest order.

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              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:18AM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:18AM (#460125) Journal

                I think you're kinda helping me to make my point. The inquisitors were finally put down, of course. Islam accepts their not-so-very-small minority. Despite our wishes, ISIS enjoys both active and tacit support from the rest of Islam. They enjoy more Muslim support than they suffer Muslim condemnation. Money and recruits continue to filter in to ISIS. If and when the money and recruits disappear, then ISIS will be finished.

                And, what will replace ISIS? We probably won't like that a lot more than we like ISIS.

                • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:26AM

                  by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:26AM (#460131)

                  Yeah, Amin my office mate is all about supporting ISIS. Every day on the way home to pick his kid up from school, he stops off at the local ISIS camp to offer his support, NOT.

                  Islam is a tremendously large religion, 23% of the world population (as compared to Christianity's collective 31%). Worldwide, not even 1% of muslims are militant or supportive of militant muslims. Now, 1% of 1.6 billion is still 16 million, or >10x the size of the U.S. Armed forces, but you don't go around discriminating against 1.6 billion people for what a couple of million people do "in their name."

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:30AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:30AM (#460134)

                    Yeah, Amin my office mate is all about supporting ISIS. Every day on the way home to pick his kid up from school, he stops off at the local ISIS camp to offer his support, NOT.

                    That's because he's not a real muslim.
                    Just ask derpaway. If you aren't wild-eyed ISIS you aren't a legit muslim. You don't really know your own religion. But derpdick does!
                    Either that or you are pretending, just waiting for the right chance to go all eid-al-fitr on some infidel's ass.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @06:31AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @06:31AM (#460159)

                    Guy works at my office left a highly paid job to spend three years at mecca for some religious duty.
                    He kept on going about how halal meat is cleaner, women should cover themselves, etc etc. People at the office just smiled and nodded and ignored him.
                    Now we have ten more like him. It was disturbing seeing a young women at work being told in the tea room that she should cover up and get married

                • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:47AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:47AM (#460140)

                  Despite our wishes, ISIS enjoys both active and tacit support from the rest of Islam.

                  You could not be further from the truth: [pewresearch.org]

                  % of population with favorable / unfavorable view of ISIS

                  Lebanon:       0% / 100%
                  Israel:        1% / 97%
                  Jordan:        3% / 94%
                  Palestine:     6% / 84%
                  Indonesia:     4% / 79%
                  Turkey:        8% / 73%
                  Nigeria:      14% / 66%
                  Burkina Faso:  8% / 64%
                  Malaysia:     11% / 64%
                  Senegal:      11% / 60%
                  Pakisatn:      9% / 28%

                  American christians are more supportive of terrorism [gallup.com] than the 3.2 million american muslims:

                  Percent who say it is never justified for an individual or small group to kill civilians.

                  Muslims:        89%
                  Protestant:     71%
                  Catholic:       71%
                  Jewish:         75%
                  Mormon:         79%
                  non-religious:  76%

                  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @07:35AM

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @07:35AM (#460167) Journal

                    ROFLMAO @ Lebanon 0%/100% With such a preposterous leadin, the other numbers aren't even worthy of discussion. Obviously, no one went to the trouble of polling any members of Hezbollah. I'll bet I could get the same results in Lebanon, if I stayed in Beirut, and polled people arriving and departing the airport. However, if I were to include airport workers in the poll, the results would shift a little bit.

                    If you went out into the countryside, and found a nice little Hezbollah stronghold, you could probably reverse those numbers.

                    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @09:03AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @09:03AM (#460185)

                      ROFLMAO @ Lebanon 0%/100% With such a preposterous leadin,

                      Again, Runaway? Really, again? You obviously know nothing about Lebanon if you are surprised by the figures. Hezbollah? The Druze? Do you possibly not even know that major factions in Lebanon are Christian? And that the Muslims are predominately Shia? Oh, you, like the President of Small Hands and Little Knowledge, do not understand the difference between Shia and Sunni? Not to mention the Sufis. So seriously, Runaway, you are only embarrassing yourself, and your nation, by so openly displaying your ignorance without the slightest indication that you are even the slightest bit aware of how profound your ignorance is.

                      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @10:58AM

                        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @10:58AM (#460206) Journal

                        Unlike you, I have actually been to Lebanon. Seriously, Aristarchus, you're only making my case. With all those different factions, you're not going to find 100% agreement on any honestly conducted poll in Lebanon. You're far more likely to get a poll with a result of 100% right here in the US. Good luck with that.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @11:55AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @11:55AM (#460216)

                      > Hezbollah

                      Wait. Let me get this straight. You think Hezbollah would support ISIS?
                      Hezbollah is shia. ISIS doesn't even think shia are real muslims. They are the first people ISIS kills.

                      Derpdick you don't even know what you don't know.
                      You parade your ignorance like it is genius

                      You are truly a modern man. Alt-facts for an alt-idiot.

                  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 29 2017, @01:51PM

                    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 29 2017, @01:51PM (#460230)

                    Polls are skewed by what the polled believe the poller should hear.

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                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:40PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:40PM (#460242)

                      Oh please. If you've got a better source, then post it.
                      And no, pulling shit out of your ass is not a better source.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @08:53AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @08:53AM (#460179)

                  I think you're kinda helping me to make my point. The inquisitors were finally put down, of course.

                  No, he is not. My God (or "Their God", it's all the same god), you are a complete and total ignoramous! Must be an American! Quick, what is the capital of Romania? OK, yep, American! You know nothing about history, you know nothing about Islam, you know nothing about religion, and you know nothing about politics. I expect your math abilities are on par.

                  So tell us, Runaway, who "put down" the Inquisitors? Shirley you know that there is an Office of the Inquisition in the Vatican right up to the present day? Oh, you didn't? OK, stick with me. Did you know that the Catholic Church has meddled in American politics very recently? Just ask yourself, how many Supreme Court Justices are Catholic? What is the percentage of the American population that is Catholic? Did you know that Newt Gingrinch converted to Catholocism? Did you ever wonder why? Do you know that Mussolini was a Catholic, before he was a communist and while he was a Fascist? Did you know that Franco, Fascist Dictator of Spain, was a Catholic with the full support of the Church? And did you know (oh, why do I even keep on asking) that along with the Mormons, the Catholic church was a major backer of Prop. 8 in California (and that Mozilla guy). And of course, the recent march to enslave women was a propaganda event largely paid for by the Catholic Church.

                  Now, I would just want to parallel your insane paranoid coward's rant: Christianity is not just a religion! It is a political, cultural, and ideological movement that has its own hierarchy, its own law (Canon Law, look it up!), and does not recognize the rights of nations or individuals (especially women) to rule themselves! Christianity is completely opposed to the principle of liberal democracy, and the freedoms of the citizen and the rights of man! So, I ask again, who took out the Spanish Inquisition? Hmmm?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:14AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:14AM (#460124)

              > There is a Muslim army bivouaced in Europe right now.

              Words have meanings. You really need a dictionary.

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:35AM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:35AM (#460135) Journal

                And a picture is worth a thousand words. Find those images of "refugees" in Europe. Mostly military aged males, with some camp followers. It's difficult to see any real differences between those "refugee" camps, and a poorly equipped army. Yes, there HAVE BEEN armies that were very poorly equipped. For reference, use some of the Crusaders. A few well-armed royalty and clergy, leading a rabble of farmboys who might manage to steal a serviceable weapon on the march to the Holy Lands.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @05:28AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @05:28AM (#460150)

                  In your case, a picture is worth a thousand lies.

                  Find those images of "refugees" in Europe. Mostly military aged males,

                  "Military aged" ... fuck off dickless.
                  The entire population of Syria skews young - the median age is 23.8 years. [bymap.org] Of course the refugees are going to have similar demographics.

                  As for being primarily men, bullshit.
                  The reason that one picture you saw in your fetid echo chamber of hate was mostly men is because all the women and children were on the next train. [snopes.com]

                  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @07:24AM

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @07:24AM (#460165) Journal

                    Yeah, and you're not a gullible fool, either. Men always ride one train, and put the women and children on another. That's how civilized people treat women and children. I've stated several times that Snopes isn't a reliable "fact checker". They are liberal, and they'll swear to whichever liberal lie they choose to.

        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:06AM

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:06AM (#460118)

          They don't wear pointy white hoods anymore, but those guys very often justified their actions in the name of Christian morals. The hoods are gone, but the sentiment remains in the hearts and minds of a significant slice of rural America.

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:27AM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:27AM (#460132) Journal

            The pointy hoods. Need I remind you that their membership numbers are steadily decreasing? I was a bystander when the KKK put on a recruiting drive in Arkansas and the rest of the South. I'm pleased to inform you that the rednecks and small town yokels whom you would most expect to join a white supremacy movement simply rejected all the stupid shit that the KKK offered them.

            That "significant slice" is far less significant than you seem to think. I think it is near-accurate to say that that the attitude was, "Yeah, maybe Negroes suck, but these supremacist assholes suck worse!" It might be a little more accurate to describe it as, "Hey, I have some black friends who are decent people - and these out-of-towners want to fuck with my friends?"

            I'll grant that the south isn't just one big happy family, yet, and there are still racial tensions, but it is no longer fertile ground for white supremacists and their stupidity.

            • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 29 2017, @05:02AM

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 29 2017, @05:02AM (#460143)

              I lived in Gainesville, Florida for about 8 years - the official KKK membership there has plummeted, but the sentiments against blacks (the town is still highly segregated to this day), Asians (I personally know of racially targeted vandalism - red paint splattered on Asian homes in the night along with messages like "gooks get out," in 2007), Muslims (same freak priest who threatened to burn Qurans on the anniversaries of 9/11 sent 7 year olds to school with T-shirts reading "Islam is of the Devil"), and any other minority group you can name are still alive and well in town and especially the rural county outside the University. After one elementary school there had developed a reputation as a "good place for children with disabilities," the school board actively dismantled the programs - the politicians in town, including head of the school board, etc. are the children of the open KKK members who were in politics in the 1920s. They know better than to do or say things that will get them slapped down by the law, so they skirt as close to the edge as they can instead. Some call themselves the "silent majority" but while they are neither, they do exist and they do still negatively impact many people's lives.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @05:21AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @05:21AM (#460147)

                So what if the KKK membership has dropped over the last 50 years anyway? 50 years is nothing.
                They were founded on christmas eve. [history.com]
                They call their chapters churches. [splcenter.org]
                They call themselves a christian organization. [christianpost.com]
                They burn crosses.
                And their members were integrated into society. Mayors, bankers, police, etc.
                They weren't the fringe. They were the core of "good christian" society.

                Derpdick is just in denial because he's just one door down from the christian taliban himself.

                • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Sunday January 29 2017, @05:54PM

                  by jmorris (4844) on Sunday January 29 2017, @05:54PM (#460318)

                  They are also the terror wing of the Democratic Party. The South is no longer a one party Democrat controlled area, so no more unofficial political cover for Democratic Party terrorists, so no more KKK. Remember the rule, terrorism ALWAYS has a State sponsor either directly supporting it or turning a blind eye or it quickly dies out. These days they are about as dangerous as Code Pink, both are more interested in publicity stunts to raise brand awareness than accomplishing anything productive.

                  There is also the detail that the Democratic Party switched its racist tactics, believing all that "demographic destiny, ascendant black/brown coalition, etc." nonsense and switched out their target group from black to white, so they now run air cover for BLM, the Panthers, La Raza, etc. The few KKK members left are confused, rather far to the left of the bell curve misfits and probably have more FBI in their ranks than actual believing members.

                  The 1488 Stormfags are another kettle of fish entirely though. Some of them are very misguided by not nearly as dumb, making them worthy of keeping an eye on. They have some Truth in their propaganda, just enough to pull in a few people who aren't really paying attention, they just mash it all up and mix in some really crazy Nazi shit until you can't sort it out. Thankfully they aren't growing a lot, probably because even though the government schools no longer teach about Nazis, most folks still know they came to a really bad end and are universally reviled. Now good luck getting someone under thirty to know WHY Nazis are bad or anyone to know they were forked off the Socialist tree. Even on the Alt-Right they are seen as, at best, useful shock troops for any future escalation by the left.

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:02AM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:02AM (#460116)

      POTUS does not make laws, nor interpret them. All that is within POTUS' purview is the manner of enforcement of the laws, as written by the Congress and interpreted by the Supreme Court.

      Some of Trump's executive orders are treading on legislation and re-interpretation, it may take some time to reign that in, but it should be happening in due time.

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