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posted by takyon on Saturday January 28 2017, @09:22PM   Printer-friendly

President Trump's executive order banning people from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S. also applies to green card holders from those countries, the Department of Homeland Security said Saturday. "It will bar green card holders," acting DHS spokeswoman Gillian Christensen told Reuters.

Green cards serve as proof of an individual's permanent legal residence in the U.S. A senior administration official clarified on Saturday afternoon that green card holders from the seven countries affected in the order who are currently outside the U.S. will need a case-by-case waiver to return to the U.S. Green card holders in the U.S. will have to meet with a consular officer before departing the country, the official said.

Source: The Hill

At least one case quickly prompted a legal challenge as lawyers representing two Iraqi refugees held at Kennedy International Airport in New York filed a motion early Saturday seeking to have their clients released. They also filed a motion for class certification, in an effort to represent all refugees and other immigrants who they said were being unlawfully detained at ports of entry. Shortly after noon on Saturday, Hameed Khalid Darweesh, an interpreter who worked on behalf of the United States government in Iraq, was released. After nearly 19 hours of detention, Mr. Darweesh began to cry as he spoke to reporters, putting his hands behind his back and miming handcuffs.

[...] Inside the airport, one of the lawyers, Mark Doss, a supervising attorney at the International Refugee Assistance Project, asked a border agent, "Who is the person we need to talk to?"

"Call Mr. Trump," said the agent, who declined to identify himself.

[...] An official message to all American diplomatic posts around the world provided instructions about how to treat people from the countries affected: "Effective immediately, halt interviewing and cease issuance and printing" of visas to the United States. Confusion turned to panic at airports around the world, as travelers found themselves unable to board flights bound for the United States. In Dubai and Istanbul, airport and immigration officials turned passengers away at boarding gates and, in at least one case, ejected a family from a flight they had boarded.

[...] Iranian green card holders who live in the United States were blindsided by the decree while on vacation in Iran, finding themselves in a legal limbo and unsure whether they would be able to return to America. "How do I get back home now?" said Daria Zeynalia, a green card holder who was visiting family in Iran. He had rented a house and leased a car, and would be eligible for citizenship in November. "What about my job? If I can't go back soon, I'll lose everything."

Source: The New York Times


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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:02AM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @02:02AM (#460040) Journal

    I notice that while you always enjoy dumping on Christianity, you have failed to refute my statement above. In fact, you have failed to even address the statement.

    ISLAM IS AS POLITICAL A MOVEMENT AS IT IS RELIGIOUS!! Every time a sizeable population of Muslims settles in an area, they demand to impose Sharia law in that area. They fully intend to undermine the legal system of any and all regions they settle in. It's almost like they have a mission statement to subvert the law in any land they live in.

    ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION!! Stop drinking the manure tea.

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  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 29 2017, @03:34AM

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 29 2017, @03:34AM (#460106) Journal

    You're naive as hell if you think Christianity wasn't--and in some cases today, like the fucking Dominionist coup d'etat that just happened in the US!--isn't a political movement. I grant Islam is more tightly coupled to politics than Christianity, but really...go back a few centuries and there's almost no difference. Islam hasn't had an Enlightenment, or at least not one that stuck.

    Now, if we're talking about the founders of the religion, there you have a point: Jesus was anti-worldly, or at least believed that the question was going to be moot Real Soon Now (oops...!) while Muhammed was all about conquest.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:12AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:12AM (#460122) Journal

      Islam hasn't had an Enlightenment,

      There you have it. Islam is one giant pig-fuck. Dirty little animals, filled with superstition, wallowing in filth, trying to make sense of a world that makes no sense - just like the piggy-Europeans who suffered through the "Great Plague". Yeah, remember those Europeans, shitting in their city streets, sleeping with rats, dropping dead by the thousands because they believed the Church would save them? To ignorant to wash their dirty asses, to build proper latrines, to stupid to keep the rats out of their food?

      And, Islam will never have an enlightenment, no renaissance. Islam rejected ALL OF THE PHILOSOPHERS. Islam has no use for philosophy, of any flavor. Islam actively defends itself from outside influences. Look up Chop-Chop square - youtube is a good-enough resource. Anyone who "offends" Islam in any way, is subject to being beheaded on Chop-Chop.

      Do you see that kind of thing in Rome? In any European or American city?

      Korea is commonly accepted as the worst of despotic regimes, but I've never heard of anything like Chop-Chop square in Korea.

      It says a hell of a lot about Islam, when they are worse than Little Kim with respect to human rights. Blatant, ongoing contempt for human rights - worse than the Bush regime, by orders of magnitude.

      • (Score: 2) by melikamp on Sunday January 29 2017, @06:50AM

        by melikamp (1886) on Sunday January 29 2017, @06:50AM (#460162) Journal
        Don't bust a nut already. You got a few things wrong, probably from over-excitement.

        Dirty little animals

        That's all of us.

        trying to make sense of a world that makes no sense

        Actually, and in line with everything else you are saying, they are trying NOT to make sense out of the world that does make a lot of sense (to anyone familiar with basic science).

        but I've never heard of anything like Chop-Chop square in Korea

        That's because you (or anyone else on this side of the border) have never heard of ANYTHING in north Korea. Nothing certain, at any rate, except for the names & mugshots of beloved leaders. Having grown up in USSR, I think I have a pretty good guess about what's going on there, and let me tell you, there's a lot of chop-chop, and on a whole another level too, like town- or even district-level. Because that's what ALWAYS happens without accountability, and when the information channel is fully controlled by the men in military uniform.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday January 29 2017, @10:20AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday January 29 2017, @10:20AM (#460198) Journal

        Runaway, you are stupid. You keep saying things that are just not true. I am starting to think you may be an alias for Kellyanne Conway!

        Islam rejected ALL OF THE PHILOSOPHERS. Islam has no use for philosophy, of any flavor

        Wrong! Completely wrong! Not right! False! And you are too stupid to even suspect how wrong you might be. Ok, look up some names.

        al-Kindi
        al-Ghazali
        ibn Sina
        ibn Rushd
        Maimonides

        You may not know it, but Islam did have an enlightenment. It just happened during Europe's Dark Ages (which, I take it Arkansas is still in?), and was in fact responsible for Europe's Renaissance in several ways. One of these was the re-introduction of the works of Aristotle, via Arabic translations through Moorish Spain, which were the source for St. Thomas Aquinas, whom the Church refers to as Doctor Angelicus, and whose work elevated Aristotle to the title of "The Philosopher". Without Ibn Rushd (Arabic: ابن رشد‎‎; 14 April 1126 – 10 December 1198), full name (Arabic: أبو الوليد محمد ابن احمد ابن رشد‎, translit. ʾAbū l-Walīd Muḥammad Ibn ʾAḥmad Ibn Rushd‎), often Latinized as Averroes, Christian philosophy as it is today quite simply would not exist. And therefore, no Renaissance, no Reformation, no Enlightenment, and obviously, no Runaway.

        Once again, your ignorance of history ill serves you! Perhaps it might interest you to know that Maimonides was a Jewish philosopher who lived his entire life under Muslim rule. His nickname is Rambam. During the Middle Ages, a jew was much better off under Muslim rule than under Christian rule, where things like pogroms, blood libel, and proto-naziism were common.

        No, none of this stuff that scares both you and Trump is due to Islam, it is due to the fact (real fact, not alternative!) that both you and Trump do not know what the hell is going on. I suggest you take a look at the end of WWI, the partition of the former Empire, the rise of the House of Saud and Arab nationalism, and then it will be clear to you that all this is nothing with any long historical roots of Islam, it is the natural consequence of European (Christian!) Imperialism. Yes, that is why they hate you. You claim to have been a sailor in the US Navy. I would have thought that this would be rather clear to you. But then, if you were a sailor, well, that does explain a lot.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @10:48AM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @10:48AM (#460203) Journal

          Aristarchus, our very own pedarast!! Tell us, just how old were you when you realized you preferred boys over girls?

          You do realize that you're a fucking GENIUS, don't you? Europe's dark ages - roughly between the years 500 and 1000. Islam - sometime after the year 600. So - Islam had an enlightenment during Europe's dark ages? Bull-fucking-SHIT. During the second half of Europe's dark ages, Islam was busy killing off all the animists, the Jews, Christians, and other religions throughout Arabia and north Africa. Golden age? WTF are you even talkiing about?

          Perhaps you are confusing some rather well known facts about Arabs and Arabia in general with Islam? Arabs are credited with PRESERVING much of the world's historical and scientific knowledge during Europe's dark ages. That is, ARABS, not MUSLIMS. The two words are not synonymous. Grab yourself a dictionary, if you don't believe me.

          Preach to me some more about how stupid I am. I really don't know how high your education went - but my education was more advanced than yours before I reached Senior High School.

          Muslim enlightenment. Christ on a crutch, man, who are you buying your drugs from? If Islam is so enlightened, then WTF do wahabbists come from?

          Do you want to try again? Would you like to point to another period in time when Islam became "enlightened"? Maybe you'll go back further in history? Maybe about 10,000 B.C?

          • (Score: 2, Funny) by aristarchus on Sunday January 29 2017, @11:19AM

            by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday January 29 2017, @11:19AM (#460210) Journal

            Preach to me some more about how stupid I am. I really don't know how high your education went - but my education was more advanced than yours before I reached Senior High School.

            Not necessary, old man, you are doing quite well on your own without any help from me, or any other Soylentil. So you are saying your education was HUGE? Was it the best education ever? Was every other education a looser compared to yours? Did you have a larger crowd for your education than other posters? Do you not see what has happened to you? You have become a Donald clone! A New York Flim-Flam Real Estate Developer with an inferiority complex! Nice to see you did Google some dates, though. That's a start. But please, do try not to be so stupid in the future, OK?

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @11:41AM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @11:41AM (#460215) Journal

              No, my education wasn't truly special - yours was. Special, as in "special needs alternative education".

              Tell us more about Islam and "enlightenment". Some of us may enjoy the laugh. I actually used the search term, "Islam enlightenment". Don't blame me if you don't like the sources:

              http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/296509-islam-never-went-through-the-enlightenment/ [unexplained-mysteries.com]

              http://books.wwnorton.com/books/detail.aspx?ID=4294992664 [wwnorton.com] (that one sort of supports your claim that Islam has had an enlightenment - in the 19th century, not during the dark ages, you nitwit)

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age [wikipedia.org] (maybe you meant golden age, rather than enlightenment? I note that this article attempts to credit Islam with maths that predate Islam.)

              Regardless how many of the claims for Islam's Golden Age are true or exaggerated - Islam has NOT outgrown the concept of spreading it's influence at the point of a sword. Islam insists, to this day, that ONLY an adult Muslim male's word has any value at court. Adult female Muslim's word is only worth 1/2 of a man's word. All the rest of us? We have no value, therefore our word has no value.

              Shall we move along? Do you have any more fairy tale claims to make for Islam? Or, shall we discuss the sexual proclivities of certain Greeks?

              • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 29 2017, @05:12PM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 29 2017, @05:12PM (#460300) Journal

                Wow, you're *mad.* He got you with facts. Listen, Runaway, just because an Enlightenment doesn't stick, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Thanks to that very same al-Ghazali, though, mysticism and muddy-headed thinking prevailed, and Islam degenerated back into its Iron Age roots rather quickly.

                Unfortunately, al-Ghazali was responsible for leading Islam off the path of the old Greek philosophers with the "Incoherence of the Philosophers," whereas Christianity mostly stuck to them, and his idea of occasionalism (basically, everything is Allah's will, and his immediate, direct will at that). Averroes, IIRC, wrote a rebuttal in the next century but by then it was far too late. This was the death of epistemology in the mass of Islam.

                That said...if the presence of extremists and violent members of a religion means any Enlightenment it's had is null and void, you just tarred Christianity with that same brush. You don't seem to understand something here: we, in the US, have just had the Christian equivalent of the Wahhabbis seize power. They didn't do it violently (directly...) but that's because their fellow travelers have spent the last 50 years flying under the radar slowly encroaching on this country's government. Forget Trump; Trump is a shiny, loud, pseudo-populist distraction. Look at Pence, look at DeVos, look at all the Birchers and Dominionists in the new cabinet.

                If there ever were a case of the pot calling the kettle black...

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                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @07:06PM

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @07:06PM (#460352) Journal

                  "Islam degenerated"

                  Islam never left the Iron Age, despite the words of a couple sweet-talking devils.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @07:46PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @07:46PM (#460375)

                    despite the words of a couple sweet-talking devils.

                    Now the truth can be told. We here at the Demonic Division of SJW, World Domination Squad, can now reveal to the world that Runaway1956 has finally sold his soul. He hates irrationally, piles insults on those who would help him, and is possessed of logorhea of the internets! Just another success story for our efforts here at Demonic SJWs! Keep up the good work, daemons!

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 29 2017, @09:10PM

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 29 2017, @09:10PM (#460396) Journal

                    Did you fucking read one single thing I wrote? Jesus. You're deranged.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:22AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:22AM (#460128)

    Christianity is not exempt from this behavior. There's a mormon compound outside salt lake city that imposes its own laws. There a few states that have laws on the books that state atheists aren't allowed to run for public office.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:40AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 29 2017, @04:40AM (#460137) Journal

      Oh-kay - so when was the last time that any of these Christians dragged an atheist out onto the town square for a public beheading?