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posted by janrinok on Monday January 30 2017, @11:14PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-separation-of-powers dept.

From the what-separation-of-powers department:

The Department of Homeland Security has an update on the entry ban:

The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump's Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people. President Trump's Executive Orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety. President Trump's Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America's borders and national security.

The NY Post adds:

The ACLU is getting "multiple reports" that federal customs agents are siding with President Trump — and willfully ignoring a Brooklyn federal judge's demand that travelers from seven Muslim countries not be deported from the nation's airports.


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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by NewNic on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:25AM

    by NewNic (6420) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:25AM (#460887) Journal

    OMG, a blog posting saying that the judge is wrong!!!!!!

    My whole world view just pivoted 180 degrees. Wow. How can an anonymous blog poster possibly be wrong?

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:52AM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:52AM (#460933) Homepage Journal

    US Code 1182 also says he is wrong. There are no restrictions put on this presidential power. Trump has absolute free reign and both he and the judge know it.

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    • (Score: 2) by TheGratefulNet on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:09AM

      by TheGratefulNet (659) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:09AM (#460946)

      trump is a PRESIDENT, not a KING.

      no such thing as abs free reign in the US.

      trump will get punished. you wait and see. judges do not like being told 'no' when they make their decision and they are not under the president's control. that's why there is an exec branch sep from the others.

      pres != king

      PERIOD!

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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:21AM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:21AM (#460959) Homepage Journal

        Read the law.

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        • (Score: 2) by TheGratefulNet on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:02AM

          by TheGratefulNet (659) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:02AM (#461029)

          neither you (I assume) nor I are lawyers.

          asking laymen to 'read the law' is like asking the milkman to read my python code....

          I admit I don't know how to parse laws and legal documents. do you have such powers? somehow, I seriously doubt it.

          (hint: even lawyers with decades of experience disagree about matters of law. why you think its simple: that tells us a lot about how your mind works, I guess. nothing in 'law' is simple. nothing!)

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          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:15AM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:15AM (#461036) Homepage Journal

            Seriously, read it. It is quite simple. (f) is the bit you're looking for. Barring some case law between when Clinton did the exact same thing and now, there's not a chance in hell those judges' rulings will stand. And they knew it.

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Desler on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:23PM

          by Desler (880) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:23PM (#461204)

          Since when have laws been absolute and above judicial review? Oh right, never.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:51PM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:51PM (#461295) Homepage Journal

            Never said they were. A judge ruling on the law rather than ideals would have granted an immediate stay on their order though. These rulings were directly counter to both book and case law and thus illegal. Unfortunately you don't get to throw judges off the bench for that. Or do anything else to them. They are above the law. So you do the only thing you can and ignore their rulings until the appellate courts slap them down.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:03AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:03AM (#460983)

        Nobody likes being told "no". You don't either. Unless you happen to be a petty tyrant, sometimes you have to suck it up, and stop acting like a special snowflake. Them's the facts of life.

        Now, go read the law. It's been posted multiple times.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:22AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:22AM (#460960)

      No vontrary to what you and Herr Trump think he is not an absolute monarch.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:27AM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:27AM (#460964) Homepage Journal

        Never said he was. But read the law. He does explicitly have this power.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:19PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:19PM (#461200)

          And the judiciary has the power to overturn it. It's called checks and balances.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:47PM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:47PM (#461291) Homepage Journal

            And what happens when the judiciary makes a ruling it knows is illegal and will be overturned simply to buy time enough that those currently outside the country can return? Where's the check on that power? No, you do not follow illegal orders.

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    • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:10AM

      by Whoever (4524) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:10AM (#460988) Journal

      So I read the law and I don't see any clause that allows for the President to unilaterally deny entry to people holding valid visas, unless they fit into a defined category. Do you perhaps think that they are all doctors planning to practice medicine when they arrive?

      It's possible that I missed something, so I would appreciate you directing my attention to the specific relevant clause.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:23AM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:23AM (#461002) Homepage Journal

        You're confusing my position that Trump is allowed to do what he does with the position that he should be doing it. As for him being allowed, he is allowed to deny entry to any alien or group of aliens, regardless of classification, for any reason he thinks justifies doing so. Search for:

        (f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

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    • (Score: 2) by linuxrocks123 on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:35AM

      by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:35AM (#461008) Journal

      You could have said 1182(f) if you wanted to be constructive, rather than a douche.

      1182(f) is a very broad delegation of authority, to be sure, but:
      (1) There are limits on what authority Congress is allowed to delegate.
      (2) Congress can't delegate authority it doesn't have.

      I'll focus on (2) since I know more about it. Both religion and national origin are recognized as suspect classes by the Supreme Court: the executive order directly discriminates based on the latter and is discriminating based on the former through a transparent pretense. That's certainly enough for a reasonable case to be made for unconstitutionality.

      What will the ultimate appellate ruling be? No clue. I suspect this will be the first of many Supreme Court case which come into being over the next four years because no one was stupid or spiteful enough to do something before. But calling the judge a hack or fraud or whatever is absurd.