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posted by janrinok on Monday January 30 2017, @11:14PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-separation-of-powers dept.

From the what-separation-of-powers department:

The Department of Homeland Security has an update on the entry ban:

The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump's Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people. President Trump's Executive Orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety. President Trump's Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America's borders and national security.

The NY Post adds:

The ACLU is getting "multiple reports" that federal customs agents are siding with President Trump — and willfully ignoring a Brooklyn federal judge's demand that travelers from seven Muslim countries not be deported from the nation's airports.


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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:30AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:30AM (#460888)

    I've been reading the comments. I have been reading mostly anger about the Muslim ban.

    I am a 20-60 year old white male and a United States citizen and I feel the need to voice my opinion. (I will be speaking for my entire family because we feel the same. I will be using the word you as "Muslim people".)

    We do not want you here. We do not need you here. If your family is in a banned country, then move back home with them. I promise you we will not miss you. Everywhere Muslims go, destruction, terror and death follows.

    Are the people even from the United States, that are writing these comments advocating acceptance of refugees? If they are, why do they advocate this? Do they say to themselves, "Well it worked out great for Berlin."? Look how well it did in France. We should definitely let in more Muslims because it's been a long time since a Mac truck drove through a parade in my town and killed forty or fifty people. There's nothing like a random pressure cooker bomb to turn a few of my family members into paraplegics. The only thing I can think is that they have coke bottle thick rose colored idealist glasses.

    There's nothing I like more, than when I go to Wal-Mart and see a burka wearing Muslim refugee buying steaks with an IBT card. Now I see what our troops are fighting for.

    We love our country. We will love it even more without you. If you miss your family, go back to where you came from and never come back.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:50AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:50AM (#460895)

    Why the fuck aren't you pressuring Trump for a blanket ban from *ALL* Muslim countries, instead of just ones that we don't have enough economic ties to make a difference to our bottom line?

    Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Pakistan, Turkey, Chechnya. All of those deserve to be on the list. Three of those aren't on the list and coincidentally have Trump business interests in them. At least three of those have been directly involved in aiding and abetting terrorism on US soil (Saudi Arabia), or housing and providing aid to a terrorist leader (Pakistan), or being the country terrorists came from (Chechnya).

    All of those are *FAR* greater threats of Islamic terrorism in the US than the 7 currently being banned. So if you truly believe what you just said, I expect to hear yourself and those that follow your beliefs on the subject to be protesting just as loudly as the anti-Ban protesters out in the streets of DC or other major state/federal political centers and making it known that it is not okay to only ban SOME Muslim states while allowing others, especially others who only seem to get a pass because of US commercial interests there.

    Own it or GTFO.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:11AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:11AM (#460908)

      Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Azerbaijan.

      Here's a map with banned countries in red, and trump countries in yellow. [bloomberg.com]
      No overlap. How convenient.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:50AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:50AM (#460930)

        The wonderful Trump would never do business in a bad country, thus he didn't need to ban any which intersect with his businesses. Discussion solved. Next issue?

      • (Score: 1) by tftp on Tuesday January 31 2017, @06:57AM

        by tftp (806) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @06:57AM (#461097) Homepage

        Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that countries in red have some sort of civil war or instability within? Well, Iran is stable, but who is going to be surprised that it was swept into the new axis of evil?

        • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:34AM

          by zocalo (302) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:34AM (#461138)

          Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that countries in red have some sort of civil war or instability within?

          That does seem like a reasonable way to draw a line - a somewhat arbitrary one, but a line non-the-less. So why isn't Turkey on the list?

          Turkey is a majority Muslim country, had an attempted coup a little over six months ago, have a on-going violent insurgency with elements of their Kurdish populace in the East, suffers repeated and regular attacks from Daesh extemist, has its own Muslim extremists, and President Erdogan is engaged in a a crackdown on pretty much any form of political dissent without any due process; suspects are just detained to await trial, and with many judges also locked up that's essentially arbitrary and indefinite detention. Sounds like it ought to be a shoo-in to me, so, does the US *really* need the use of Incirlik to attack various groups in the Middle East that much, or is it just a case of follow the money to Trump Tower?

          --
          UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:22AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:22AM (#460913)

      Same AC here. I agree 100%. I own it.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:29AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:29AM (#460917)

      If you love the fucking Muslims so much, why don't you move to one of those countries? We don't want you. We don't need you. You love destruction and terror so much, you love these people so much, why don't YOU GTFO and move in with your friends in Mosul? You run your mouth about letting terrorists into the country on your fucking high horse... I hope a terrorist blows up a few of your family members. I wonder what you would think then. Stupid fucking cocksucking prickface idiot moron commie jewfaced retard.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:55AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:55AM (#460897)

    Are the people even from the United States, that are writing these comments advocating acceptance of refugees?

    Are you even an American?
    A real patriot would know these lines by heart:

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:53AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:53AM (#460934)

      We didn't write those lines, France gave them to us. It's just a big lie for the French to toss their problems onto someone else. We're lifting our lamps to make sure the golden door hasn't been stolen!

      Anything can be interpreted to mean whatever you want it to mean.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:57AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:57AM (#460938)

      “Give me your tired, your poor,
      Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
      The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
      Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
      I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

      I love it. Quoting a poem written by a Jewish bitch from 1887.

      I say, take your tired poor ass home.
      Stop blowing shit up.
      We don't want the refuse.
      We don't want the terror teaming on our shore.
      Send these evil people back where they came from.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:04AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:04AM (#460984)

        I love posts like yours.
        Unlike runaway, VLM, buzzard, sulla, etc you don't try to dress up the fact that you are a nazi.
        You own it. Respect for that.

        If all the nazis would just cut the sophistry and let their raw naked hatred speak for itself, life would be a lot simpler. Probably less pleasant, but oh so simple.

    • (Score: 2) by Sulla on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:35AM

      by Sulla (5173) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:35AM (#460966) Journal

      Statement was invalidated when the frontier closed, just like the social contract.

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      Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:00AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:00AM (#460978)

        What does that even mean?
        What social contract?
        Who says 'the frontier' was even relevant? I don't see mention of it on lady liberty.

        What I do see is someone resorting to barely coherent nonsense to avoid taking moral responsibility for endorsing the suffering of others.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:31AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:31AM (#461004)

      A pretty poem written by some nobody broad who won a stupid contest, had her words engraved onto a plaque, to be affixed to a statue, built by foreigners, and shipped here as a token of their awe for us.

      The poem isn't a legal device, it has no place in a court of law, it doesn't even have any place in a discussion like this.

      Poems. Do you want to recite Humpty Dumpty now? Or, Three Blind Mice? Those carry as much legal weight as your tired and hungry masses. Better, let's get right to the fairy tales - the Brother's Grimm. Go ahead, post the text of some of those. You might even want to use some of them in court when you attempt to impeach the president you don't like.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @06:10AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @06:10AM (#461082)

        Ozymandias, by Percy Bysshe Shelley

        I met a traveller from an antique land
        Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
        Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
        Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
        And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
        Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
        Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
        The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:

        And on the pedestal these words appear:
        'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
        Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
        Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
        Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
        The lone and level sands stretch far away.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by boxfetish on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:05AM

    by boxfetish (4831) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:05AM (#461031)

    It's bullshit. As someone who generally supports more vigilance and tougher immigration laws/restrictions upon immigrants and tourists from countries more likely to grow or support terrorism (and who is, in theor,y supportive of something akin to the recent executive order) it is complete and utter bullshit that Saudi Arabia, UAE, Chechnya, Egypt, Lebanon, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are not on the same list. The hypocrisy is becoming very difficult to ignore. I support the president and his handlers less and less every single day.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @05:35AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @05:35AM (#461067)

      > I support the president and his handlers less and less every single day.

      Are you sorry yet? [areyousorryyet.com]

      • (Score: 1) by boxfetish on Sunday February 05 2017, @11:09AM

        by boxfetish (4831) on Sunday February 05 2017, @11:09AM (#463082)

        Sure am. I didn't actually vote for him, though.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:35AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:35AM (#461047)

    Wonderful xenophobia, the irony in your statements with respect to the founding of the US is phenomenal. I'm sure the native americans might agree with you....

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @07:03AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @07:03AM (#461098)

      Wonderful xenophobia, the irony in your statements with respect to the founding of the US is phenomenal. I'm sure the native americans might agree with you....

      You just proved my point. Look how well it worked out for them.

      Stupid idiot.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 01 2017, @08:58PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 01 2017, @08:58PM (#461793)

        So you're concerned about Muslims literally taking over the US? And you call me an idiot? Hooo boy, good luck with that aneurysm you're working so hard on.