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posted by janrinok on Monday January 30 2017, @11:14PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-separation-of-powers dept.

From the what-separation-of-powers department:

The Department of Homeland Security has an update on the entry ban:

The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump's Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people. President Trump's Executive Orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety. President Trump's Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America's borders and national security.

The NY Post adds:

The ACLU is getting "multiple reports" that federal customs agents are siding with President Trump — and willfully ignoring a Brooklyn federal judge's demand that travelers from seven Muslim countries not be deported from the nation's airports.


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:41AM

    by q.kontinuum (532) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:41AM (#460893) Journal
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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:02AM

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:02AM (#460902) Journal

    Yes, it is. Bannon is on record stating he wants to burn the entire system down, and that he's a "Leninist" for that reason. He wants some sort of nationalist-economic revolution.

    THIS is why I have a problem with the "burn it down" crowd; they're shortsighted, self-serving, and frankly traitorous. Lookin' at you, Uzzard; you and Bannon will burn in Hell together.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:01AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:01AM (#460940)

      You are a fucking idiot.

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:16AM

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:16AM (#460952) Journal

        Got a counter-argument? If so post it. If not, shut up.

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    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:16AM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:16AM (#460953) Homepage Journal

      Thank you Sister Bertha Better-Than-You. You can toddle on back to the amen pew now. There'll be a squirrel along directly to disabuse you of your self-righteous notions.

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      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:30AM

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:30AM (#460965) Journal

        Oh wow, was that YOU posting AC, you gormless oxygen thief? I had guessed but wasn't sure. Put up or shut up, coward. I reiterate: you and Bannon are going to end up screaming like a pair of whistling teakettles in the unquenchable flames of your own evil made manifest. Don't worry, I'll come visit now and then to make s'mores over you :D

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        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:45AM

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:45AM (#460969) Homepage Journal

          You should think before you spout stupidity like that. When have I ever been shy about what I post?

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          • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:14AM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:14AM (#460994) Journal

            Who knows? Seems like the kind of cowardly ball-less bullshit you'd pull if you thought it would benefit you though. Hope you're wearing your asbestos panties when the shit hits the fan, Uzzard! You may very well get exactly what you wish for, but you won't survive it...

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            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:18AM

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:18AM (#460999) Homepage Journal

              Hahahahaha! You're funny.

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              My rights don't end where your fear begins.
              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 31 2017, @06:22AM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @06:22AM (#461088) Journal

                And this is how I know you've got nothing, Uzzard. You sink to infantile elementary school bullshit.

                This is a sensitive issue for you. You tipped your hand as one of the "burn it all down" types ages ago and we're all calling you on it. If you think you'll survive the kind of conflagration "burning it all down" will cause, you're delusional...and if you somehow do, you'll envy the dead.

                I will never, ever, ever stop pointing out what you are. And you mostly do my work for me.

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                • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:52AM

                  by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:52AM (#461144) Homepage Journal

                  What, you think I'm ashamed of my position? Not remotely. You've "caught" nothing when I say it plain as day.

                  I laugh at you because you have no argument except "I don't agree and you're evil".

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                  My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 31 2017, @07:15PM

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @07:15PM (#461378) Journal

                    There can be no arguing with someone who's renounced the use of reason. This isn't, as I've said many times before, for your benefit; I long ago accepted that you can't be saved in this lifetime.

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                    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @11:18PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @11:18PM (#461480)

                      There is no point arguing with that fucking idiot. You can't rationally argue someone out of a position they didn't rationally get into.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:33AM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:33AM (#461006) Journal

          "you and Bannon are going to end up screaming like a pair of whistling teakettles in the unquenchable flames of your own evil made manifest."

          Wow - you've suffered some shock, and now you're a deist?

          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 31 2017, @06:20AM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @06:20AM (#461085) Journal

            Uh, where have you been? I've been a Deist (well, panentheist, but almost no one knows the word...no, it's not a typo) since around 2011. My girlfriend, as I am sure I have mentioned before, has been to Hell, and NOT as a tourist during an NDE. It's more of a state of mind than a concrete place, and it's generated from within, but it's very much real. I've also spoken with a "dead" relative, one who died almost half a decade before I was born, and gotten information that made zero sense until I asked older family members.

            Besides which, why would afterlife or lack thereof have anything to do with whether there is or is not a God? Could be a perfectly naturalistic process.

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  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:19AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:19AM (#460910)

    That article really needs a critical counterpoint.
    It smacks of conspiracy theory and if you don't have any contextual knowledge you don't even know what the author has left out or just got wrong.

    Like when it says the Steele memo predicting that 19% transfer of ownership to Trump was written in July, it was actually written October 18th (check it yourself, [cryptome.org] its page 30) and only referred to something the source said happened in July.

    And frankly, hanlon's razor applies. The EO was written so incompetently [lawfareblog.com] that it looks bannon is an ignorant idealogue who "failed upwards" and is now completely floundering. He's still dangerous, but he's not evil genius dangerous, more like cornered rat dangerous.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by fritsd on Tuesday January 31 2017, @06:56AM

    by fritsd (4586) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @06:56AM (#461096) Journal

    I didn't want to say it yesterday, because it sounded too extreme, but I'll don my tin foil hat this morning:

    The executive order comes across as a very carefully balanced provocation in a delicate dance to topple the US government.
    Not as a ham-fisted push/putsch. Isn't Putin good at judo?

    Two facts:
    (1) the executive order isn't religious discrimination because it can be argued that only a small percent of the muslims are banned
    (2) the executive order uses a list of countries that was apparently named for similar or other reasons by president Obama, so it can be argued that (a) Obama did it too, and (b) it has nothing to do with Trump's investments
    (haven't checked if that list of countries was really from some Obama law, you can fill me in)

    I, as a non-American and non-lawyer, have the feeling that the executive order was constructed in order to be easily struck down by the courts.
    This will create a polarization in society between the people who believe in the Rule of Law, and the authoritarian followers who believe in the Rule of Trump.

    They can't do a coup, because Trump doesn't have organized followers. Yet.

    Now that this polarization is growing, I expect the following to happen next:

    A new meme will be forged of the narrative:
    "Your Leader wanted to protect you against (some) MOOSLIMS, but those lily-livered liberal law-thumpers are frustrating your Leader's attempts to keep you safe, and they hide behind the so-called rule of law. Are you with your Leader or against him?"

    This meme will be pushed through all channels that the Trump government has at its disposal: Breitbart, Fox News, etc.

    This will enlarge the wedge between the 15%? minority authoritarian followers and the silent majority. A more important effect will be that the followers will be able to self-identify as a Trump follower and coagulate as a group in society. Place a large order for brown shirts in China! Do they have a biker gang, yet? Putin has his own biker gang. Maybe a Homeland Security Motorbike Enthusiasts Club can be created.

    There might be other provocations, ending in an impeachment lawsuit against Trump. Maybe they'll put him in jail (cf. Beerhall putsch).

    If that point is reached, it's time for the ace up the sleeve: REICHSTAG FIRE.
    They can either wait for a real terrorist attack to happen, or some deluded idiot will be found to shoot Trump dead, while wearing a sandwich board: "I'm a gay muslim jew liberal, and I hate God, America and Trump!". (With a signed autobiography of Hillary, and an EU passport in his pocket, for good measure).

    After that it's time for state of emergency, and that with sadness in their hearts, Bannon and Pence and Cruz etc. see no other option than to accept to shoulder the heavy responsibility of power, for God and America and the Brave American Army (which stands behind them). Military religious dictatorship. The End.