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posted by janrinok on Monday January 30 2017, @11:14PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-separation-of-powers dept.

From the what-separation-of-powers department:

The Department of Homeland Security has an update on the entry ban:

The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump's Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people. President Trump's Executive Orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety. President Trump's Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America's borders and national security.

The NY Post adds:

The ACLU is getting "multiple reports" that federal customs agents are siding with President Trump — and willfully ignoring a Brooklyn federal judge's demand that travelers from seven Muslim countries not be deported from the nation's airports.


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by jelizondo on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:58AM

    by jelizondo (653) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:58AM (#460900) Journal

    Don’t go for legal advise to an anonymous sources pal, you’ll get your ass in jail.

    The travel ban included ‘permanent residents’ which does away with the opinion that the judges (four as of now) had no legal standing because visa-holders are not guaranteed entry into the US.

    Quoting the BBC [bbc.com]: “[…] Department of Homeland Security officials had revealed that the executive order would extend to permanent residents of the US coming from the seven banned countries.”

    You should have been suspicious when four different federal judges granted motions of stay against the travel ban for different people. One judge? Maybe she’s wrong, four? Don’t think so.

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:57AM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:57AM (#460937) Homepage Journal

    Read then [cornell.edu]. The bit you're wanting is "(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President". There is no gray area there. Trump can do what he thinks he can. The judges are wrong.

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    • (Score: 2) by TheGratefulNet on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:14AM

      by TheGratefulNet (659) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:14AM (#460951)

      are you a lawyer?

      you seem pretty sure of yourself...

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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:18AM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:18AM (#460955) Homepage Journal

        Read the law. It's quite explicit.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:55AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:55AM (#460975)

          The problem is everything else that you don't know.
          The law does not exist in a vacuum.
          Its modified by other laws.
          And since you didn't even find that statute yourself, I'm pretty sure you have zero idea what other laws apply.
          But you know who probably does know? A judge. Or maybe 2 judges. Or even 4 of them.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:15AM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:15AM (#460995) Homepage Journal

            Is it? Show me where. I provided a citation for my claim, can you do the same?

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:35AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:35AM (#461046)

              Ah, you're so cute. I literally just said I'm deferring to the experts, you stomp your little princess foot and demand that I not.

              Tell you what, I'll play chicken with you. You go find the rulings from those four judges and tell us all what's wrong their legal determinations.
              Not just blindly cite a single statute that you don't really understand, read the rulings and tell us how they fall short.
              Once you've actually put the work in that you demand of me, then I'll do the same for you.

              Of course you won't, because your an idjit whose only skill is motivated reasoning.
              But maybe I'm wrong. If I am, its easy enough for you make me look like a fool.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:57AM

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:57AM (#461147) Homepage Journal

                You're doing that fine by yourself. I cite very definitive supporting law and you back your position up with... what? Rhetoric?

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                My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:10PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:10PM (#461169)

                  Surprise, ya wussed out.
                  So what if you cited something?
                  Its not applicable to arguments presented in those courts.
                  I may be an anonymous coward, you are an intellectual coward.

                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:44PM

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:44PM (#461286) Homepage Journal

                    Name calling now? How juvenile can you get in an effort to not have to back up your assertions?

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                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @05:07PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @05:07PM (#461303)

                      You have yet to address any of the points raised in the FOUR rulings, but I'm the one not backing my assertions.
                      That kind of intellectual dishonesty invites name calling.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by jelizondo on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:12AM

      by jelizondo (653) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:12AM (#460991) Journal

      I happen to be a LAWYER while you are not; so don't try to teach your grandma how to suck an egg.

      You are confusing a VISA which is issued to a student, tourist or other aliens for temporary admission to the U.S. with a ‘green card’ which is issued to a person granting them a right to reside permanently in the U.S.

      Most VISA holders are forbidden from working in the U.S., for example, while residents can and mostly do have a job or own a business, probably have bought a home and other stuff.

      So don’t read any law, read the applicable law. (You seem so sure, so go on a dig a bit more.)

      • (Score: 2, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:21AM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:21AM (#461001) Homepage Journal

        No, Mr. LAWYER, I was not. I said nothing about status whatsoever. Any alien of any status falls under that law unless you can point out somewhere else, because the quoted law does not, that says otherwise.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 3, Funny) by jelizondo on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:40AM

          by jelizondo (653) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:40AM (#461011) Journal

          I just replied to another doofus, so go read that comment where I do quote the law, but since you too are lazy and feel entitled to an opinion in a field where you have no experience, I will leave you the task of looking up the appropriate law.

          What would you say to someone who knew nothing about something but decides to give you an argument? I quote from your own journal: “Most days it's fun smacking down the willfully ignorant but sometimes outside forces conspire to make me too tired to bother.”

          So I'll go pop me another beer and ignore you...

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:52AM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:52AM (#461020) Homepage Journal

            Darlin, I can read code. Laws are easy. Cite your argument or STFU.

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @05:49PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @05:49PM (#461327)

              Wow. You're actually as dense as your comments make you appear! Bravo!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:32PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:32PM (#461463)

        Are you also an Attorney?
        Anybody can be a Lawyer, being an Attorney is a little bit more involved.