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posted by janrinok on Monday January 30 2017, @11:14PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-separation-of-powers dept.

From the what-separation-of-powers department:

The Department of Homeland Security has an update on the entry ban:

The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump's Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people. President Trump's Executive Orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety. President Trump's Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America's borders and national security.

The NY Post adds:

The ACLU is getting "multiple reports" that federal customs agents are siding with President Trump — and willfully ignoring a Brooklyn federal judge's demand that travelers from seven Muslim countries not be deported from the nation's airports.


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  • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Demena on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:38AM

    by Demena (5637) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @01:38AM (#460922)

    You mean you would rather buy manufacturing machines from overseas (further increasing your debt) and use those to manufacture things in factories. Well, ok, what work are americans going to do to pay other americans for the goods now manufactured in the US? Eventually the only human jobs will kissing tourist butt. In many cases quite literally. Just remember, if your job can be done by a machine then you are surplus to requirements. Wherever the factory resides.

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  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:11AM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:11AM (#460989) Journal

    You mean you would rather buy manufacturing machines from overseas (further increasing your debt) and use those to manufacture things in factories. Well, ok, what work are americans going to do to pay other americans for the goods now manufactured in the US? Eventually the only human jobs will kissing tourist butt. In many cases quite literally. Just remember, if your job can be done by a machine then you are surplus to requirements. Wherever the factory resides.

    OK, that's incorrect, and, honestly, imbecile. Americans don't know how to manufacture anything? Nah, you're right, you're right. America became the world's sole superpower by not knowing how to make anything or do anything complicated. I mean, obviously, right? Heck, if you want to do something truly complex like game emissions testing then you would have to ask a German, correct? And if you want to design a nuclear plant that can fail only in the incredibly rare circumstance of a tsunami, in a place that is particularly tsunami prone, then would have to ask a Japanese, right?

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    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Demena on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:52AM

      by Demena (5637) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:52AM (#461019)

      With such a defective mentality as your own you presume to call me an imbecile? You did not even answer my post, you failed to understand it. Building factories in the US is not going to bring many, if any jobs. The automation of factories is increasing and increasing. There are not jobs for everyone now and it is only going to get worse.

      As to your remarks, this is where you show that you do not think. I am quite sure that americans know how to screw people over with software. You have the best example. Bill Gates. The Japanese plant you refer to was not designed in Japan (I will leave finding out where as an exercise for the student) and was over its design period and designer recommendations had not been followed. It was a political error not a technical one. Whatever point you are trying to make is just lost in ignorance and silliness.

      It is all very well to wish for the moon but it takes a lot of work to get it. Relocating factories will achieve little or nothing in increasing employment because factories are employing less and less people. It might change where or who some of the money goes to but it will not be into your pocket unless you own the damn factory.

      That seems simple enough but you take as if I were attacking America. No mate, I have always been the US's 'loyal opposition'. All I have ever wanted of the USofA is that it live up to its principles. And all I ever will be is a 'loyal opposition' as I consider myself totally unsuited to power. There is a reason for this.

      I recognise Trump. There are people I have seen and met that bear a certain resemblance to me. We have some german blood. We are redheads or reddish. We are smart in many ways but the intelligence is raw and lacks judgement. We are charismatic under certain circumstances and have almost infinite chutzpah. Unless we listen to others and assess our ideas accordingly we can produce incredible disasters. Two of the names you might recognise are R.L.Hubbard and Trump. So forgive me if I am trying to warn you about people like me.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:39PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:39PM (#461216) Journal

        Yes, I can waste time arguing the fringes of your point, or I can cut to the chase and call your premise absurd. It is absurd, and your doubling down on it does not make you more intelligent, or me incorrect. Maybe it's because you're young and inexperienced. Maybe you have not seen the last 30 years of manufacturing jobs being eliminated in the United States thanks to free trade agreements. Maybe the outsourcing wave, from manufacturing to knowledge work, has somehow not bitten you or yours in the ass, personally, yet. Maybe you have not seen work visa programs abused to now import foreign workers to suppress wages and eliminate hard-won gains in the workplace. It seems you have seen and experienced none of that, and instead substitute a self-serving talking point promulgated by those interests that profited handsomely from hollowing out the American Middle Class (and the middle class of other industrialised countries); you're being played for a fool.

        Making things still requires humans. Fewer humans can produce more now, thanks to automation. But some is better than zero. And your claim that Americans don't know how to make anything and require foreign machinery to do it is risible. Apart from the obvious fact that America is a superpower, and you don't get that way with fairy tales and uplifting language, but rather with the ability to make stuff, there is the ranking from the International Business Times [ibtimes.co.in] that puts the US as the world's #2 manufacturer, only recently surpassed by China as #1.

        I am quite sure that americans know how to screw people over with software. You have the best example. Bill Gates.

        It rather points up your youth and/or inexperience that you think software that "screws people over" is the only thing Americans know how to do. No, kimosabe, it merely has gotten the most press in the last 20 years because it's the new shiny.

        It is all very well to wish for the moon but it takes a lot of work to get it. Relocating factories will achieve little or nothing in increasing employment because factories are employing less and less people. It might change where or who some of the money goes to but it will not be into your pocket unless you own the damn factory.

        Well, that was a nice, tidy sweep of the hand to explain away mankind's need for productive activity. "There's no magic bullet, so therefore it's not worth even trying waaaaaaaahhh" Yes, clearly a country that put a man on the moon and has built enough nuclear missiles (because those were built by child labor in India, because Americans don't understand how to make things, right?) to end all life on Earth could not possibly figure out how to bring back manufacturing activity to this country and make it work again.

        I recognise Trump. There are people I have seen and met that bear a certain resemblance to me. We have some german blood. We are redheads or reddish. We are smart in many ways but the intelligence is raw and lacks judgement. We are charismatic under certain circumstances and have almost infinite chutzpah. Unless we listen to others and assess our ideas accordingly we can produce incredible disasters. Two of the names you might recognise are R.L.Hubbard and Trump. So forgive me if I am trying to warn you about people like me.

        (As a brief aside, it's "L. Ron Hubbard." I only mention it because he seems to have significance for you and you might want to get his name right if you go around using it rhetorically as I suspect you are wont to do.) This paragraph suggests you're a socially maladjusted misanthrope, a basement-bound Aspie, or that you're 13 without a single hair on your chest or notch in your belt, but its callow petulance should persuade no one and certainly not attract mod points.

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        • (Score: 1) by Demena on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:47PM

          by Demena (5637) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:47PM (#461292)

          Boy did you fuck up.

          I was born in 1950. Some things were still rationed (after WWII y'know) when I was 18. I got into computers when I was 18 too by building my own from a stack of parts - not populated boards, parts. Pointing out my youth - fail. Pointing out my lack of experience - fail. With judgement like you have shown, I do not expect sense from you, "kiddo".

          I love your straw men but they only make you look like and idiot. Really, my experience tells me that is not a good idea. It is like jumping to conclusions. Oh, I am sorry, you did that too, didn't you. Whatever you think about me you have proven yourself to be an idiot. I am going to show this two my three successful kids. They will be entertained.

          If you think I post for mod points then that is probably what you do. I couldn't give a stuff. But it is one more nail in _your_ coffin.

          If I was that fixated with Hubbard I would have got it right, no? (more fail for you). I do tend to get that wrong because or the nickname he got after that Caribbean disaster. But you are probably too young to remember that (or were not in the SF community)

          Sorry, sonny Jim, but everything in your post is a cock-up.

          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday February 01 2017, @02:20PM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday February 01 2017, @02:20PM (#461650) Journal

            It ought then be telling that, sight unseen, you argue, write, and think like a pimply 13-yr old. (But then, it is said that in dotage a man does return to childlike simplicity.) Next you're going to tell us that the sun is really a butterscotch lollipop, and when the rest of us say that's an absurd premise, you'll respond with more blather.

            To sum up, your thesis was that America doesn't know how to manufacture anything, and returning manufacturing jobs to America is pointless. My response was, that's a silly statement because superpowers don't become superpowers by not knowing how to make anything, and that bringing some jobs back to the American middle class is better than no jobs. I am no jingoist and there is a lot of complexity on the subject to sort through, but when someone leads with a premise that is so flat out wrong, prima facie, it does no good for anyone to pretend otherwise.

            Or, maybe you're a special snowflake who melts when people respond with vigor to what you say.

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            • (Score: 1) by Demena on Wednesday February 01 2017, @10:32PM

              by Demena (5637) on Wednesday February 01 2017, @10:32PM (#461817)

              Grow up and learn to read.

              Look up the terms 'ad hominem' and 'straw man'.

              You are spouting vitriol for no reason.