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From the what-separation-of-powers department:
The Department of Homeland Security has an update on the entry ban:
The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump's Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people. President Trump's Executive Orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety. President Trump's Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America's borders and national security.
The NY Post adds:
The ACLU is getting "multiple reports" that federal customs agents are siding with President Trump — and willfully ignoring a Brooklyn federal judge's demand that travelers from seven Muslim countries not be deported from the nation's airports.
(Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Tuesday January 31 2017, @04:01AM
Of course it is conditional, otherwise it would be called citizenship. However, they can't be deported for any reason that doesn't violate US law. Being Muslim is protected by the 1st amendment.
You call the Constitution and laws of the US "legal weasel words"? C'mon Runaway, where is your reason? Are you so easily tripped up by emotional reactions?
I only got here by searching for jelizondo's reference to his own post somewhere in the thread, he was replying to TMB and got tired of repeating himself. The conservative arguments are crumbling as evidenced by the increase in ad hominem attacks. Why no more quoting of the law?
All that said, of COURSE some people should be denied entry!!! And 1182 clearly defines the terms. You'd think the all knowing NSA could provide some detailed evidence on who to admit and who to deny. Again, based on evidence and not irrational fear.
~Tilting at windmills~
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:15AM
"legal weasel words" was used in reference to a very specific quote, printed onto the green cards, that you mentioned yourself. The government has left itself an out, big enough to drive an entire brigade of Abrams tanks through. Legal weasel words, that mean, you've been promised nothing, and we can change our minds at any time, for any reason, with or without explanation.
It all boils down to the fact that green card holders have no more rights than a visa holder.
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:51AM
It all boils down to the fact that green card holders have no more rights than a visa holder.
Which is farcical, why have two different documents if they are functionally identical? Why do foreigners jump through hoops (marriages of convenience etc) to get a green card if a visa is just as good? Doesn't pass the smell test, sorry. I think you are talking shit again. Besides, I can already see a significant difference just from the quotes in this thread: Visa holders can be denied at any time. Green card holders (AKA "legal permanent residents") must be given written notice - that's a huge difference. It means a green card holder can show up at the airport and (as long as they haven't received their written notice) be confident they will be admitted. Not so for visa holders.
However Trump has made the distinction less clear in his hasty, ill-considered, poorly-implemented, irrational and bigoted decision.
Oh, as for green card holders not being affected? Green card and visa holders were being blocked from boarding US-bound flights within hours of Donald Trump issuing an executive order [independent.co.uk]
Green card holders were originally part of the ban and many were turned away at the airports. The White house have apparently U-turned on that after about a day of chaos, (although they were somewhat confused about it: Reince Priebus said the order "doesn't affect" green card holders, then {minutes} later said "of course" it affects green card holders [cnn.com] ). No Green card holders have been turned away since then, but green card holders from the 7 countries are likely to be subjected to extra "discretionary" scrutiny at the airport. Whether that involves a few extra background checks or a rigorous anal probing I don't know, but I do know if it was me I'd be very nervous about passing through a US airport.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:40PM
I'm losing so badly here, I'm switching sides. I'm going to start arguing Bill Clinton's side of this thing. I'm tired of Trumping here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0 [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @05:17PM
Lol I was expecting something better. Podium rhetoric is not the best stuff to compare, gotta compare the actions. No one here is against immigration control as a thing, just the manner in which we go about it. You conservatives really need to stop acting like liberals hate everything you stand for, because most of the time there is middle ground to be had.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @09:25PM
But for you there are no sides, there is only "Runaway". You are like Trump in that regard, an ego so big and so unselfconscious that there is no room for anything else, let alone "sides".